Talk:Francis Childs (printer)

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Did you know... that Francis Childs was the publisher and printer of The New York Daily Advertiser, the third daily newspaper to appear in the United States, in 1785?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Francis Childs (printer).

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New sources and added content welcomed. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 03:35, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Z1720 (talk) 20:37, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Francis Childs was the publisher and printer of The New York Daily Advertiser, the third daily newspaper to appear in the United States in 1785? — Source: Lee, 1923, p. 120
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Juan Pablo Cárdenas Squella
- Comment: Statement and citation supporting hook can be found in the Printing career section.
  There are many examples of book titles, official titles and some quotes in the article that also occur in the sources. Any examples of lengthy close paraphrasing involve these types of similarities.

Created by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 19:25, 8 March 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 15:59, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

- @Gwillhickers and Unique1: hi there! How would you feel about an ALT1: ... that Francis Childs helped publish and print what would would later become The Federalist Papers?
Open to variations, if you'd like :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 21:26, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: — Not bad, but The Federalist Papers are Alexander Hamilton's landmark accomplishment -- Childs was just the printer, and he only printed a few of the essays, not the entire lot of 85 essays. As Childs established and printed The New York Daily Advertiser, this would seem like the better choice for a hook to an article about Childs. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 00:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Gwillhickers: I concur with you on this one. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 20:39, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

- @Gwillhickers and Unique1: Okay, I totally hear you. However, given that I can't remember the third person to walk on the moon, people might not respond to him establishing the third daily newspaper in the U.S. So, possibly, ALT2: ... that Francis Childs and John Swaine became the sole printers of the United States' first laws in 1791? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:38, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

- Oops, Lil-Unique1 theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:38, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Dangit, Lil-unique1 theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:38, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

, Theleekycauldron I would be happy with that as a compromise. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 16:00, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron and Lil-unique1:. ALT2 is okay, but here also, Childs was just the printer. Prefer to highlight something he actually created - a major newspaper in a major city. That belongs to Childs. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 18:25, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Gwillhickers: Hmm, we could combine the two hooks, then? ALT0+2: ... that Francis Childs, founder of the New York Daily Advertiser, helped print the United States' first laws in 1791? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) 19:02, March 20, 2022 (UTC)
  - Gwillhickers SL93 (talk) 23:30, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Gwillhickers: can we get your thoughts on the above so that this DYK can be promoted? Z1720 (talk) 17:14, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720:, If we go with ALT0+2 then we leave out the part where Childs' newspaper was the third daily newspaper to appear in the U.S., which is quite a distinction, and at the expense of saying he printed some laws. ALT2 simply says that Childs, and his partner, were the sole printers of these laws, while somewhat interesting, ignores Childs' distinctive accomplishment of founding the 3rd newspaper to appear in the U.S.. Prefer to go with the original hook. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 18:32, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted ALT0 to Prep 1, per the nominator's request. I added a comma after "States" because this is the third paper printed in the US, not the third paper printed in 1785. The comma hopefully makes this clearer. Z1720 (talk) 20:37, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]