Talk:Faustina Kowalska

1958 and the suppression of the devotion to the Divine Mercy

Isn't there more to the story than a mere translation error? patsw 03:13, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

The whole thing is rather complex, and despite my great interest in the subject, I've been unable to get a clear understanding of it. It seems that Sr. Faustina's handwriting was perhaps not the best, in addition to the spelling problems, and an apparent complete neglect of punctuation. One of the sisters at her convent helpfully typeset her diary so that others could read it, translate it, and evaluate it. This sister, unfortunately, added punctuation where Sr. Faustina had none. In doing so, she committed a fairly systematic error, in that things that should have been in quotes, indicating that Christ was speaking them, instead were typeset so as to appear that Sr. Faustina was saying them of herself. So, things that are appropriate for Christ to say appear vainglorious and egotistical for a humble sister to say. When a subsequent committee looked at her original manuscript, not the typeset version, they discovered this problem, and performed a systematic correction of the typesetting.

I've heard this story from several sources, but I can't verify the independence of these sources, and they are all second or third hand. Also, if this story is true, you would think you could get someone to cite particular book and paragraph notations from the diary, and precisely state where the quotes were misplaced. In absence of more concrete evidence, it's hard to establish the veracity of this story. Anonymous User.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.91.172.36 (talk • contribs) 2006-10-04

I noticed my above comment from three years ago. It appears the people some first hand knowledge like Father Michał Sopoćko (vice-postulator), Pope John Paul II and others did not elaborate on this. My speculation is that it had the potential to reopen an investigation in the orthodoxy of her writings, which, with her canonization, is closed matter. The best I think we will ever get to this is John Allen's report which is already in the article. Also, correcting myself, the suppression commenced in 1959. patsw (talk) 21:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi friends :) I searched the word "banned" in the article database of the Marian Fathers of the Immaculate Conception who have been entrusted with the cause of St. Faustina's Divine Mercy message/ devotion, and have found several articles about it... I think Fr. Seraphim talks about it in video interviews as well (and he's the priest who was entrusted with her cause for canonization)... so here's the link if our page wants to do any research about it: https://www.thedivinemercy.org/search/node/banned%20books Follow.your.inner.heroes.2.the.work.you.love.2021 (talk) 04:26, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Fr. Seraphim, MIC

Friends: let's think about collaborating on an article just for Fr. Seraphim, the "the vice postulator in the canonization cause of Sr. Faustina!" :-) There's an abundance of information by him, as well as articles on him, especially now that he has passed away. St. Faustina was big on getting permissions and stuff like that, so I don't want to just start it without getting feedback. :)Follow.your.inner.heroes.2.the.work.you.love.2021 (talk) 04:54, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Birth certificate

The registered birth certificate of Helena Kowalska

I do not consider this illustration to be a photograph, so I have removed it from the article. Does anyone see it differently?Mr. bobby (talk) 19:52, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

@Mr. bobby: It does look to me like a modern photograph of a birth registry from the time period in Europe. I've looked at hundreds of similar genealogical records from Europe around that time that have been photographed in the process of digitizing them - some look better than this, but I've also seen several that are worse. The details of the file over on Wikimedia Commons indicates that this was provided by a State Archive. Other than your personal incredulity, what evidence do you have to question its provenance?

The certificate belongs to the State Archives in Poznań, please read the article: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archiwum_Pa%C5%84stwowe_w_Poznaniu On July 10, 2014, the State Archives in Poznań and the Wikimedia Polska Association signed a cooperation agreement under which files containing scanned images of archival materials from the resources of the Poznań Archive are uploaded to Wikimedia Commons servers. --Rafaelosornio (talk) 02:57, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

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