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Section size for Ethiopian National Defense Force (23 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	5,134	5,134
Commanders of the Military	1,865	1,865
History	2,259	50,237
Ethiopian Empire	25	14,762
Battle of Adwa	2,667	2,667
Preserving Ethiopian independence	2,326	2,326
Under Haile Selassie I	2,926	2,926
Korean War	6,818	6,818
Seizure of power by the Derg 1974 and aftermath	6,806	9,625
1990-91 Order of Battle	2,819	2,819
From 1991	1,590	23,591
The Ethiopia-Eritrea war	2,719	2,719
Somalia	13,478	13,478
The Northern War	5,804	5,804
Size and strength	4,850	4,850
Peacekeeping	3,436	3,436
The National Defense Day	1,015	1,015
See also	111	111
References	15	2,229
Citations	72	72
Bibliography	2,142	2,142
Further reading	2,001	2,001
External links	590	590
Total	71,468	71,468

Relevant

I have three additional names of the Ethiopian cadets in Russian additionally to the name Tekle Hawariat Tekle Mariyam, but I think the Russian writing can have errors. Also, As experiment for the country of not having a sea-shore two Ethiopian naval officers were geared-up in Russia, probably even in the Russian empire was already present persuasion about confessions of rights for Ethiopia to have marine port!Sergeispb-10 (talk) 15:27, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ethiopian Navy

Perhaps someone could write a bit about the former Ethiopian Navy? There seem to have been a number of ships (frigates, missile boats)[1] as well as joint activity with Soviets and against the Eritreans before their independance.[2][3] Moreover, There seems to have been some kind of fleeing of Naval personell to Yemen following Mengiste's purging of the Military, which is in itself notable for their lack of integration[4][5] and eventual absorption as refugees by the US.[6][7] I'm also somewhat puzzled by this reference to an Ethiopian naval presence in the Somalian war in December 2006. Is this at all accurate? Tewfik^Talk 06:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added the section on the Ethiopian Navy without checking your refs. I'll look into them now. --Petercorless 12:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added references to what seemed appropriate for notable citations. However, that article is wrong about an "Ethiopian Navy." The force in question was Combined Task Force 150, a multinational squadron operating under the US 5th Fleet. There was also a Carrier Strike Group, with the USS Eisenhower and its escorts. No, there was no "Ethiopian Navy" present. --Petercorless 13:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, you did a really good job on finding more references. Perhaps you could also include a brief section on the fate of the naval crews vis-a-vis the Yemeni refugee situation and the resolution with their ultimate move to the US? I included all I could find above, but it seems like an intriguing story with more to be said. Tewfik^Talk 18:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rebuilding army equipment statistics

Because the army equipment section was so big of a mess and included vague terms such as "reported" and no references of any kind, I rebuilt the section to some extent. I only included equipment and arms that have actually been mentioned somewhere. I know there are massive holes in the list, so I hope others will contribute more stuff to it too. --Dyaros ^Talk 20:15, 15 october 2011 (UTC)

Alright, if someone wonders, I rebuilt the current equipment list after someone decided to fill it with non-sense, information that had no (read NO) citations of any kind and horrible editorial skills. Remember to add citations and not just second guessing. Furthermore, apparently this person wanted to add massive quantity of equipment that was imported to Ethiopia just after World War 2 or in the few decades passing it, so why not make separate list so that it doesn't get confusing? Just a thought. Cheers! --Dyaros ^Talk 7:51, 12 november 2011 (UTC)

Splitting main article

Ethiopian Defense Forces article seems to have outgrown itself a fair bit, so what I am suggesting is to split the ground forces part into its own specific section. This would clarify the articles substantially. Reader would have much clearer picture and it would be easier for the reader to find the information that he or she needs. --Dyaros ^Talk 8:37, 29 november 2011 (UTC)

I removed the split tag because, if I understand the tagger's intention correctly, the section to split off doesn't seem really big enough. My change along with many others has been reverted with the note "Revert Vandal." Since I did not vandalise the article then I am assuming that it was a mistake and have re-removed the tag. If someone feels strongly enough to revert me again then I suggest that that person goes ahead and splits the article. I will not object if that happens. Op47 (talk) 22:50, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit: too many unexplained abbreviations

This article contains too many unexplained abbreviations. That makes the article unreadable and difficult to understand for everybody without expert knowledge. Please, write out the abbreviations so others could understand their meaning. Night of the Big Wind _talk 13:45, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am working on it, but this page has too many problems to begin with, most notably lack of citations and references. I'll do the best I can to update the text. Biggest problem with this page and military of Eritrea is that people keep adding up information that is either horribly written, has no citations/references or both all the time. --Dyaros ^Talk 15:11, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Source: list of commanders

https://www.facebook.com/SecondEDIA/posts/526516807395932 Ethiopian Diaspora Intelligence Agency Defense Departments

No Job Division Name & Rank Ethnic Group 1 Armed Forces Chief-of-Staff General Smora Yenus Tigre

2 Armed Forces Head of Training Lt.General Tadesse Worde Tigre

3 Head of Logistics Lt.General Gezae Abera Tigre

4 Head of Intelligence Br. General Gebre Dela Tigre

5 Armed Forces Head of Campaign Major General Gebreegzher Tigre

6 Armed Forces Head of Engineering Lt.General Berhane Negash Tigre

7 Chief of the Air Force Chief of the Air Force Tigre

Heads of the Nation’s four Military Commands

No Job Division Name & Rank Ethnic Group 1 Central Command General Abebaw Tadesse Agew

2 Northern Command Lt.General Saere Mekonene Tigre

3 South Eastern Command Lt.General Abraha Wolde Tigre

4 Western Command Br. General Seyoum Hagos Tigre

Army Divisional Commanders

Central command

Northern Command

No Job Division Name & Rank Ethnic Group 1 14st Army Division Colonel Wodi Antiru Tigre

2 21st Army Division Colonel Gueshi Gebre Tigre

3 11th Army Division Colonel Workidu Tigre

4 25th Army Division Colonel Tesfay Sahiel Tigre

5 22nd Army Division Colonel Teklay Klashin Tigre

6 4th Mechanized Division Colonel Hinsaw Giorgis Tigre

South Eastern Command

No Job Division Name & Rank Ethnic Group 1 19st Army Division Colonel Wodi Guaae Tigre

2 44st Army Division Colonel Zewdu Tefera Tigre

3 13th Army Division Colonel Sherifo Tigre

4 12th Army Division Colonel Mulugeta Berhe Tigre

5 32nd Army Division Colonel Abraha Tselim Tigre

6 6th Mechanized Division Colonel G/Medhin Fekede Tigre

Western Command

No Job Division Name & Rank Ethnic Group 1 23rd Army Division Colonel Wolde Belalom Tigre

2 43rd Army Division Colonel Wodi Abate Tigre

3 26th Army Division Colonel Mebrahtu Tigre

4 7th Mechanized Division Colonel Gebre Mariam Tigre

Commanders in Different Defense Departments

No Job Division Name & Rank Ethnic Group 1 Agazi Commando Division B.General Mohammed Esha Tigre

2 Addis Ababa & Surrounding Area Guard Colonel Zenebe Amare Tigre

3 Palace Guard Colonel Gerensay Tigre

4 Banking Guard Colonel Hawaz Woldu Tigre

5 Engineering College Colonel Halefom Eggigu Tigre

6 Military Health Science B.General Tesfay Gidey Tigre

7 Mulugeta Buli Technical College Colonel Meleya Amare Tigre

8 Resource Management College Colonel Letay Tigre

9 Siftana Command College B.General Moges Haile Tigre

10 Blaten Military Training Center Colonel Salih Berihu Tigre

11 Wourso Military Training Center Colonel Negash Heluf Tigre

12 Awash Arba Military Training Center Colonel Muze Tigre

13 Birr Valley Military Training Center Colonel Negassie Shikortet Tigre

14 Defense Administration Department B.General Mehari Zewde Tigre

15 Defense Aviation B.General Kinfe Dagnew Tigre

16 Defense Research and Study B.General Halefom Chento Tigre

17 Defense Justice Department Colonel Askale Tigre

18 Secretary of the Chief-of-Staff Colonel Tsehaye Manjus Tigre

19 Indoctrination Center B.General Akale Asaye Amhara

20 Communications Department Colonel Sebbhat Tigre

21 Foreign Relations Department Colonel Hassene Tigre

22 Special Forces Coordination Department B.General Fisseha Manjus Tigre

23 Operations Department Colonel Wodi Tewk Tigre

24 Planning, Readiness and Programming Department Colonel Teklay Ashebir Tigre

25 Defense Industries Coordination Department Colonel Wodi Negash Tigre

26 Defense Finance Department Colonel Zewdu Tigre

27 Defense Purchasing Department Colonel Gedey Tigre

28 Defense Budget Department Ato/Mr. Berhane Tig

Buckshot06 (talk) 00:07, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Add a section of mines in the explosives section.

Add a section of mines in the explosives section Oscarm18 (talk) 23:18, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Section needs to be added with regards to recent coup attempts;resulting in the death of the Chief of Staff.

Developing story, more source still required. Aspotofbother (talk) 15:04, 23 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Budget of the military?

Budget of the military in 2015 330 with a GDP of 60 billion dollar but now it 90 <ref>www.Internationale monitory fund.com/ethiopianecocomydata. Li56741 (talk) 14:41, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality of sources

After reviewing much of the material used in some of the references linked in the article, I believe that those pulled from the Tghat website are not neutral at all, and in fact present a hostile point of view against both the Ethiopian federal government and its military. The sources presented by that site all appear to present ethnic Tigrayan views, which can be confirmed by its own "About" section here.

Tghat was founded, some time into the war on Tigray, by concerned Tigrayans to chronicle and document the war. The idea for its founding was that, during the war and with the communication blackout, the Tigrayan story, Tigrayan collective national sentiment, and the atrocities committed upon Tigrayans were not being written about and documented. Tghat strives to fill a part of this void by encouraging and supporting Tigrayans to write their stories and the story of their people, document and analyze events and atrocities.
— Tghat, About

I don't think there is any wrong with using a wide range of sources both hostile or favorable toward an event, but I think that shaping a lot of this article on the Ethiopian military after an openly biased news outlet isn't helpful at all. I've already seen multiple hostile edits from Tigrayans here and on the Tigray War article, and gushing praises heaped upon the Tigray Defense Forces from various Tigrayan news outlets which have been used as the source for that article as well. I would like to ensure that we are able to maintain the neutrality of this article as best we can, and use a more varied range of sources to reference for the conflict here and in other articles. Vivaporius (talk) 18:47, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

when is regristion 196.191.61.29 (talk) 15:20, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]