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Pop punk

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If the article itself States Emo pop as being influenced by Pop Punk, does that mean Pop Punk IS a stylistic origin of Emo pop? Dekai Averett (talk) 17:17, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Dekai Averett: Yep. Pop punk and emo are the main influencers of emo pop, hence the name. SuperLuigi22 (talk|contribs) 02:40, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of Artists

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Would it be okay if a list of Artists section was added to the page? Dekai Averett (talk) 01:48, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Right now there's only an album list, there should probably also be a band list, so go ahead.Issan Sumisu (talk) 06:32, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Emo pop

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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Emo pop's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

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  • From Panic! at the Disco: allmusic ((( Panic at the Disco – Biography )))
  • From Full Collapse: Thursday exposes Victory / officially announces Island signing! PunkNews.org (May 29, 2002). Retrieved on 1-30-2013.
  • From New York City: Toop, David (1992). Rap Attack 2: African Rap to Global Hip Hop. Serpents Tail. ISBN 1-85242-243-2.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 23:42, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing

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Do sources that refer to the groups as Emo/Pop punk count as then being Emo pop (punk)? Dekai Averett (talk) 02:11, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Dekai Averett: I'm a little on the fence about this. On one hand, the source should explicitly say emo pop. But on the other hand, emo pop is a mix of emo and pop punk, and emo pop is short for emo pop punk. At the same time, saying emo/pop punk is not saying straight up that the band is emo pop. I'm not quite sure. It's a good question though. Bowling is life (talk) 03:45, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be counted if it is reference to a single artist. If it is a list that says for example "Top 10 Emo/Pop punk bands" then that should not count. However if it says "(Band name) is an Emo/pop punk band then it should be counted. Just my opinion. Dekai Averett (talk) 04:11, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would say definitely NO because this clearly shows that the writer does not think of "emo pop" or "emo pop punk"" as a distinct genre, but considers an artist to fall within BOTH emo AND pop punk. For example, Jawbreaker would be considered both but no one has ever called them "emo pop".--MASHAUNIX 09:20, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

History

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I think the history section is do for a big overhaul. Especially the 2000s section as it mentions groups such as Cash Cash but not Hawthorne Heights, Dashboard Confessional, Taking Back Sunday, Brand New, and My Chemical Romance who are way more mall known and did way more for the genres mainstream exposure. Dekai Averett (talk) 02:14, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pop emo

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Can it be agreed that a band being called Pop-emo should be accepted as emo pop? Dekai Averett (talk) 20:32, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Should pop music be put as a stylistic orgin?

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There are multiple sources directly linking emo pop to pop music, stating it as a fusion of emo and pop. For this reason could pop be added into the infobox? Dekai Averett (talk) 17:43, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please provide some of these sources? Issan Sumisu (talk) 19:16, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
[1][2] Dekai Averett (talk) 07:07, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not really sure that's what either of those sources are saying though, the guardian seems to just be referring Metro Station's style and the second one pretty consistently says it's pop punk mixed with emo, just using pop as a comparison. Issan Sumisu (talk) 09:54, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.theguardian.com/music/2008/dec/08/new-band-metro-station
  2. ^ https://rocknuts.net/2015/06/24/when-did-rock-stop-evolving-it-hasnt-meet-punk-rocks-children/

(title change) Emo Pop Punk

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Petitioning to modify the title to include punk as that is the stylistic origin it evolved from; it is emo and pop punk, not pop music, and therefore may be misleading. The phrase emo pop was used simply as a shortening in the early references listed, which have since been expired, and modern phrases of the genre refer to it as the "Emo Pop Punk" scene. I can find no modern music source that makes use of the emo pop label, but an abundance of sources that do not. What would we call a fusion of emo and actual pop music? Billie Eilish is an emo pop artist. The phrase is misleading.

[1] [2] Jetsetjosh (talk) 23:33, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, emo pop is the preferred term by AllMusic, Exclaim, Entertainment Weekly, the Independant, Drowned in Sound, the Guardian NPR and the New York Post, and it also gets around 200,000 more search results on Google. Many of which are very recent, I also can't find any references referring to any musicians that merge emo and pop as emo pop including Billie Eilish, the closest being this Guardian article about Metro Station, which oddly cites emo pop bands as the emo influence. It's also an established trend that pop punk derivatives just take the name pop, see neon-pop. Issan Sumisu (talk) 08:05, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.altpress.com/features/the_5_great_eras_of_pop_punk_from_the_70s_to_today/
  2. ^ https://www.theodysseyonline.com/pop-punk-throughout-the-years
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