Talk:Elisa Rae Shupe

Adding a new paragraph

I would like to propose the addition of a new paragraph at the end of this page to update some recent mentions of James in the media.

"In 2018 James and his wife moved to Ocala, Florida where James says he feels safe and in a community that aligns well with his values. James keeps a low profile in his community, but still is an advocate against the use of hormones to treat gender dysphoria because of the destruction it has caused to his body. In December of 2019, James successfully petitioned the court responsible for his 'non-binary' gender designation to restore the sex on his birth certificate to 'male.' The petition filed by Shupe described the sex designation of 'non-binary' as 'psychologically harmful legal fiction.'"— Preceding unsigned comment added by an IP editor 13:12, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

>> I haven't seen anyone comment on the addition of this paragraph, so I will assume that adding this paragraph to the page is okay. If you see the addition and have an issue with it, please respond in the Talk section before editing the main article. Thanks.— Preceding unsigned comment added by an IP editor 20:10, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

>>>> Someone edited the paragraph I wrote to update what is currently going on with James Shupe without addressing their concerns on the Talk page. I am reverting the edit back to what I originally wrote. Hopefully any future edits will be discussed here. Thanks for your consideration.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathezar (talk • contribs) 23:59, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

I made an edit to your paragraph after reviewing the local news article, but I had not seen this section of the talk page. As noted in my edit summary, I found the sentence that I removed redundant in one part, and containing subjective language that I believe is arguably contradicted by the ongoing media coverage. I hope that this change seems reasonable, and I left the local media reference as it supports the previous sentence as well. --Jamie7687 (talk) 19:08, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

References

Retransition/name change?

I do not have sufficient information to edit the article yet, but Ray Blanchard recently retweeted something from a Twitter user "Lisa Shupe @ElisaShupe" , whose profile photograph appears to be of James Shupe. According to Shupe's tweet dated Aug. 7, 2021, Shupe has "switched back" after having "[sworn] I'd never go back to 'identifying' as a female." . The jamieshupe.wordpress.com blog, where previously Shupe chronicled their media mentions, has now been deleted. . Aside from the first-person social media posts and an appearance in a podcast , I cannot find corroborating third-party articles to ascertain whether this person has officially changed their name again, or what their present gender identity is. Adnipeapod (talk) 20:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I just reverted an IP edit to this effect (the ref after the first use of the name was still the indeed now-deleted blog). The reliance of Wikipedia on verifiable sources in the context of biographies of living persons means that we will always update slower than we like, but I think it won't be long before some articles are available for citations. Arlo James Barnes 13:56, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

References

It doesn't seem to be legit. I can't find any sources on it either, and James' twitter is still listing him as James Shupe. His handle is @notabledesister. May His Shadow Fall Upon You ● 📧 12:51, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Request For Edits To Article By Lisa Shupe

To whom it may concern,

My Wikipedia page contains outdated information about my status. It is incorrect to state that I am a detransitioner or desister. My personal website contains a statement regarding this matter. I am requesting an edit be made to this page on my behalf. If a member of the media or Wikipedia staff desires to confirm the authenticity of the information in my recent announcement. In that case, you can reach me by using the contact information on my website. Thank you for your attention in this matter.ElisaShupe (talk) 19:55, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

https://elisashupe.wordpress.com/2022/03/03/elisa-shupe-setting-the-record-straight-about-james-shupe/

Notifying @ElisaShupe, Aquillion, Crossroads, Firefangledfeathers, and Newimpartial: for review.

Here is a link to a podcast and video from September 2021 where Benjamin A Boyce interviews Lisa Shupe (@ElisaShupe on twitter), noting they interviewed in 2019 while she was using the name Jamie and @notableDesister, and corroborating many of the statements in her recent linked post (so we can include mentions of attempts of self-dosing estradiol). The video says she goes by Lisa which means minimum we can update the name, and says she doesn't care which pronouns are used and given that plus the newer post we can assume "she" can be used (in accordance with WP guidelines about pronoun preferences).

@ElisaShupe:, I apologize this took a while, the last few days have been rather hectic on my end (helping teen trans girl with a unaccepting family). I see that @ElisaShupe on twitter was recently recreated, was that you? If so, I believe linking your new blog there would establish a definite tie between that post/statements and your identity (for WP verification), but I might be wrong. TheTranarchist (talk) 15:14, 11 March 2022 (UTC)TheTranarchist

I concur with the things you've said, Tranarchist. I was self-dosing various supplements in 2019 that had estrogen in them at unknown levels, which resulted in a blood clot. After the blood clot in early January of 2020, my doctor put me on Lupron injections and Estrogel during most of 2020. My care team also had me on Lupron and estrogen injections during 2021. I am requesting that female pronouns be used. If possible, I would like the page to address me as Lisa Shupe, my preferred name. My driver's license now reads female. I've already provided proof of my identity to the Wikipedia Foundation and I'm more than happy to provide an updated copy of my driver's license to the staff with the female designation if they wish to review it. I'm not posting the ID on my website because I've been getting viciously harassed online by members of the gender-critical community.

https://elisashupe.wordpress.com/2022/03/05/legally-female-and-democrat/ ElisaShupe (talk) 15:31, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

• I think that given the context (which is sufficient to verify it) the podcast is probably enough for basic WP:ABOUTSELF / MOS:GENDERID biographical details, yeah. --Aquillion (talk) 19:05, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
  • This means that the article needs to be moved, doesn't it? Newimpartial (talk) 19:06, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

On March 29, 2022, My name was legally changed from James Clifford Shupe to Elisa Rae Shupe. A copy of the court order has been posted on my personal website at this location: https://elisashupe.wordpress.com/2022/03/30/elisa-rae-shupe-name-change-its-official/

My gender identity has been legally changed to female in Nevada: https://elisashupe.wordpress.com/2022/03/05/legally-female-and-democrat/

I am therefor requesting that the name, image, and pronouns be changed on my page. I am a transgender woman and use female pronouns. I request this image to be placed on my page: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jamie.shupe.trans.flag.1.jpg

I also object to the edit that was arbitrarily done on March 26, 2022, without any discussion in the talk section of my page, that added a citation to an article at The Federalist, which no longer reflects my current views, politically or otherwise.

Additionally, this information currently in the article: "Shupe is a critic of transgender surgeries, cautioning against what he says are high complication rates.[8] He has also expressed opposition to transgender people serving in the military," also no longer reflects my views and is inaccurate. I no longer have any opposition to transgender surgeries.

The article also states that I live in Ocala, Florida. This is also incorrect. I reside in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Please assist with making these necessary changes to my page. Thank you!ElisaShupe (talk) 12:53, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I updated your wikidata page. Sharouser (talk) 03:27, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

There have been a significant amount of edits to my Wikipedia page recently, edits that are taking place without any consensus on this talk page. For example, someone recently removed me from the category of people who detransitioned. Administrators, please consider fixing and then locking my page. Elisa Rae Shupe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1011:B01A:2C79:6D38:EDF0:2F41:CF2F (talk) 14:03, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Request Edit

Over the past several months, numerous edits have been made to my Elisa Rae Shupe page without any talk or consensus. And some of the edits are not “very encyclopedia like.” For example, an off the cuff tweet was used to describe my pansexual sexual orientation. Furthermore, regarding that edit, my sexual orientation is not my identity, which is how the edit frames it. My female gender identity is my identity. Even more alarming is a recent edit which removed me completely from the category of people who detransitioned. That’s a significant part of my history and I am one of a small group of “notable” people who did in fact desist from a transgender identity for a couple of years.

Admins and other editors, please restore my page to proper form and consider locking it. I have previously provided my contact information to Wikipedia, please feel free to contact me if necessary.

Signed: Elisa Rae Shupe 2600:1011:B01A:2C79:6D38:EDF0:2F41:CF2F (talk) 14:28, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what "proper form" of the page you are requesting. And, the page is still within the People who detransitioned category. As for the edit adding "an off the cuff tweet was used to describe my pansexual sexual orientation", that was removed after some back-and-forth over edits, and I never found enough to verify it, apart from the tweet. Not every edit on a page needs talk or consensus. On a page like this, certainly discussion about edits would be great, but its not required. Historyday01 (talk) 13:06, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

New source that was just published.

This has a lot of details on Shupe and the larger timeline that are probably worth including somewhere in the article. --Aquillion (talk) 08:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I just skimmed that Xtra Magazine piece this morning and it looks like there's a LOT from it that can be included in this article. Historyday01 (talk) 13:02, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

There are a couple of notable developments that may be worthy of getting added to my page.

First, this Washington Post article mentions my disabilities. "Shupe, an Army veteran, had a 100 percent disability rating and diagnoses of C-PTSD, bipolar disorder and borderline personality disorder." Please consider adding me to pages for these.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/12/27/ohio-transgender-carey-callahan-detransitioner/

Second, I am now a published author.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-us-copyright-office-loosens-up-a-little-on-ai/

Elisa Rae Shupe 2600:8801:B03:A500:750E:9ADA:D3A0:F8E (talk) 22:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done —83.8.43.217 (talk) 19:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)