Talk:El gran varón

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Pronouns of Simon

Since Simón is a transgender woman, shouldn't the article refer to her with female pronouns ("she" and "her") instead of male pronouns? Currently, the article refers to Simón with both male and female pronouns, which is both quite confusing and misleading. Pinecone23 (talk) 11:51, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The song stresses that to his dad was born a 'boy' who would be a great man; to not lose the meaning of the song restored original version.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 13:33, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

But do let me know how / if the entire article should be changed, in your opinion. I know extra care must be taken on an article that involves a transgender person due to how common the underlying bias is--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 14:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that it is better to use female pronouns for Simón. Maybe there should be information added to show that Simón's father still sees her as a man, instead of using male pronouns? Male pronouns would also be appropriate while talking from Simón's father's perspective. That is my opinion on the subject. Thank you for your response Pinecone23 (talk) 09:22, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An example of what I mean is "His father is sure he'll follow in his footsteps and be "a great man" but Simón instead leaves Puerto Rico for the United States to embrace his homosexuality and initiate his gender transformation". could be phrased "Simón's father is sure his son follow in his footsteps and be "a great man" but Simón instead leaves Puerto Rico for the United States to embrace her homosexuality and initiate her gender transition to a woman". Pinecone23 (talk) 11:23, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Although I previously argued against it (see above), after further research I found that the song is based on Omar Alfanno's friend who was a homosexual and presumably a cross-dresser/transvestite. Pinecone23 (talk) 11:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simon is not Transgender

The song exclusively refers to Simon as male, uses male pronouns and language, and when his father asks who Simon is, Simon confidently says: "No me conoces yo soy Simón
Simón, tu hijo, el gran varón"
"You don't recognize me? I'm Simon!
Simon, your son, the great (grand) man!"

As depicted in the song, Simon refers to himself as a man. While people can certainly discuss as to whether Simon is a cross dresser (with or without being gay, though the lyrics later say Simon dies of a "mysterious illness", suggesting he has contracted AIDS and is most likely gay) OR trans, the song really does not say or imply this with the language. 63.229.160.42 (talk) 02:50, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree and removed the transgender category and added the cross-dressing category because cross-dressing is not synonymous with being transgender. The mariachi at my wedding was a cross-dresser but he was not transgender. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 14:07, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]