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August 30, 2023	Good article nominee	Listed
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January 22, 2024	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 11, 2023. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that it is controversial whether indoctrination is a form of education?
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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 09:19, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that it is controversial whether indoctrination is a form of education? Source: ^[1]
- ALT1: ... that the invention of writing caused a shift from informal to formal education? Source: ^[2]
- ALT2: ... that in 1948, the United Nations recognized education as a fundamental human right? Source: ^[3]
- Reviewed: Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Yanomamö:_The_Fierce_People
- Comment:

References

^ Siegel, Phillips & Callan 2018, §3.3 Social Epistemology, Virtue Epistemology, and the Epistemology of Education.
^ Bussey, Inayatullah & Milojević 2008, p. 92.
^ Shelley 2022, p. 2.

Sources

Bussey, Marcus; Inayatullah, Sohail; Milojević, Ivana (1 January 2008). Alternative Educational Futures: Pedagogies for Emergent Worlds. BRILL. p. 92. ISBN 978-90-8790-513-2.
Shelley, Fred M. (27 September 2022). Examining Education around the World. Bloomsbury Publishing USA. p. 2. ISBN 978-1-4408-6448-3.
Siegel, Harvey; Phillips, D.C.; Callan, Eamonn (2018). "Philosophy of Education". The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Metaphysics Research Lab, Stanford University. Retrieved 31 August 2023.

Improved to Good Article status by Phlsph7 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:55, 31 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Education; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The article meets all the requirements for a DYK. The hooks are interesting, and the article is a pleasant read. I personally find ALT2 to be the most interesting, but I couldn't access its source, so I'm going to AGF on that one. Happy to pass the nomination. Congratulations! — Golden ^talk 10:42, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with using ALT2. The page from the source is available online at [1]: In 1948, the United Nations issued the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, in which education was recognized explicitly as a human right. Phlsph7 (talk) 16:04, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add Tongwen Guan and Prussian Education System to See Also

The revert (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Education&diff=prev&oldid=1247435954) is an abuse of WP:Unconstructive for keeping the article frozen in time, which is ironically WP:Disruptive.

WP:See also permits adding relevant and related topics to the section. Topics such as Tongwen Guan and Prussian education system will add a non-western and non-anglo-american WP:Newbie perspective to the article. Nolicamaca (talk) 08:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They're not likely to be useful links for the average reader of this article, which is what the See also section is for. They cover very interesting historical phenomena, but they are temporally and spatially overspecific for an article as general as this one. They deserve discussion on more specific articles, not a shoehorned, inexplicable tacking-on to the end of this one. Remsense ‥ 论 08:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Really, I'm perplexed by their specificity—why 同文館 and not any other event or subject from the history of education in China? It seems indefensibly arbitrary—just to add something regardless of its particular appropriateness.Remsense ‥ 论 08:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Nolicamaca and thanks for your suggestion. The topic of education is very wide and innumerable articles are vaguely relevant to it. It's not possible to add a see-also link for every article that is somehow related, like the article on this specific government school in Beijing you added. Maybe the link can be added to an article on a more narrow topic, like Education in Beijing. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reorganize Sources and References

Currently there is a two-stage reference system in this article, the inline citations refer to Section Sources, which in turn refers to Section References. The Section Sources is many times repetitive, only providing information on differing page numbers. This differs from citation style of most other wikipedia articles. I propose to reformat the citation style, to "Named references in conjunction with a combined list of page numbers" in line with Wikipedia:Citing sources#Citing multiple pages of the same source HudecEmil (talk) 11:32, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello HudecEmil and thanks for raising the point. The current style is Help:Shortened footnotes. It's very common in featured articles on Wikipedia and is used in many academic sources. Changing it for the whole article would be a lot of work and I'm not sure that there is a good reason to do so. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The subsection "Sources" contains all the full citations. Each source should only be included one time there. If there are duplicates, they should be removed. I had a short look but I didn't spot any duplicates. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add A Fact: "Children lack foundational skills despite school enrollment"

I found a fact that might belong in this article. See the quote below

Now more children are enrolled in school than ever before but far too many of them are not learning. Data from Multiple Indicator Cluster Surveys (MICS) show that many children around the world today are not equipped with foundational reading and numeracy skills that prepare them for the world beyond school.

The fact comes from the following source:

https://data.unicef.org/topic/education/learning-and-skills/

Additional comments from user: It is important to showcase children's education enrollment.

This post was generated using the Add A Fact browser extension.

Laiasolagonzalez (talk) 01:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion. The fact about higher enrollment than ever before is discussed in various parts of the article, including the lead and the "History" section. The overview sources on the history of education that I'm aware of usually emphasize how education in the contemporary era has overall improved, not that it degraded. So without historical context on this specific finding you mention, I'm not sure that it should be discussed in the article. Phlsph7 (talk) 10:12, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[FOOTNOTESiegelPhillipsCallan2018§3.3_Social_Epistemology,_Virtue_Epistemology,_and_the_Epistemology_of_Education-1] Siegel, Phillips & Callan 2018, §3.3 Social Epistemology, Virtue Epistemology, and the Epistemology of Education.

[FOOTNOTEBusseyInayatullahMilojević2008[httpsbooksgooglecombooksidEXsfEAAAQBAJpgPA92_92]-2] Bussey, Inayatullah & Milojević 2008, p. 92.

[FOOTNOTEShelley2022[httpsbooksgooglecombooksidgErEEAAAQBAJpgPA2_2]-3] Shelley 2022, p. 2.

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