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Did you know... that the director for Yuzuru Hanyu's Echoes of Life Tour choreographed the 2016 Summer Olympics closing ceremony?

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... that the Echoes of Life Tour, a tour of solo ice shows in Japan by two-time Olympic figure skating champion Yuzuru Hanyu, opens on his 30th birthday on December 7, 2024?

Source: Hanyu Yuzuru to unveil 'Echoes of Life' show on 30th birthday (Olympics.com)

Reviewed:

Created by Henni147 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Henni147 (talk) 04:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC). Alright, I'm going to attempt reviewing this. First review for me, so it'll take a bit of time. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting: - refer to comments

QPQ: None required.

Overall: 3.8% at earwig, not too sure about hookinterest. Will need a second opinion. Pinging User:Sky Harbor. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC) [reply]

Hook discussion

Thank you very much for taking on this review! I was not sure about the hook myself. Alternatives could be that it's (1) the second solo ice show tour to be ever produced or (2) that the show deals with the ethics of artificial intelligence among others (which is a rather unusual topic for an entertainment event). Do you think, that might work? If yes, I will try to figure out how to phrase and source the hook best. Henni147 (talk) 07:12, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the current hook would pass scrutiny per WP:DYKSO: The hook should not put emphasis on a commercial release date of the article subject. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Henni147:, I guess ALT1 (...that Echos of Life Tour is the second solo ice show tour to be ever produced?) may do the job? ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 01:22, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5 and AlphaBetaGamma: Then let's go with ALT1? I just need to find a source that explicitely mentions 'Echoes of Life' as the second solo tour production. It's quite a clear fact because Hanyu's Repray Tour in 2023–24 was the first one, and no other skater has ever produced or performed a solo ice show. But we need to support it by a reliable secondary source. Henni147 (talk) 08:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 is probably not a good idea as it is an exceptional claim and thus would require exceptional sourcing. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:21, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: We just got the news that a full story book will be published before the first show for better access and understanding of the story. Would that be suitable for a hook text? It's quite unusual that a show or concert tour is accompanied by a book. I expect Japanese newspapers to publish some detailed reports within the next few hours. Henni147 (talk) 09:57, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, because a hook about a book being published would arguably count as advertising and would not fly among the DYK regulars. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:00, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: True, didn't think of the promotional aspect. There is one more idea for a hook:

ALT3: "... that the Echoes of Life Tour by two-time Olympic figure skating champion Yuzuru Hanyu is directed by Mikiko who also choreographed the Tokyo handover segment at the 2016 Summer Olympics closing ceremony?"

This hook is supported by the source above and this one by the Japan Times newspaper: "The Tokyo handover segment of the Rio 2016 closing ceremony balanced cool imagery, references galore and meme-worthy moments. That team included musician Sheena Ringo and choreographer Mikiko Mizuno [...]" Henni147 (talk) 11:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to the tool I'm using, the hook is 203 in prose, which exceeeds the 200 limit. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 00:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AlphaBetaGamma: Oh okay, so the "that" at the beginning is not included in the count. Does this adjustment work?

ALT3 (shortened): "... that the Echoes of Life Tour by two-time Olympic figure skating champion Yuzuru Hanyu is directed by Mikiko who was also involved in the choreography of the 2016 Summer Olympics closing ceremony?"

Sources: Hanyu Yuzuru to unveil 'Echoes of Life' show on 30th birthday (Olympics.com) and The Olympic opening ceremony that wasn't (The Japan Times).

This hook should have 195 characters now, but better check as well to be sure. Henni147 (talk) 07:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's 195 characters. Guess that's a wrap? ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 09:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AlphaBetaGamma and Narutolovehinata5: Thank you very much for checking the hook and taking on this review in general. I hope, all issues have been fixed now. I wonder if the review template at the top needs to be updated to conclude the review? I'm not familiar with the system. Henni147 (talk) 10:11, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Henni147 and AlphaBetaGamma:

I'm not sure I find the hook too enticing. Like, the fact that the performer and director were both in/at the Olympics is cool, but not the kind of thing that would make someone likely to read the full article. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: The idea behind this hook is that the Echoes of Life Tour is a solo tour of figure skating performances, and figure skating is an Olympic winter sport. Having the only two-time Olympic champion of men's skating since 1952 as the main performer and an Olympic choreographer as a director is basically like watching an Olympic-level performance, which should be triggering enough to read more about it.

Background info: The athletic content of Hanyu's last two solo shows levelled the complexity of the current world record in men's singles (6 clean quadruple jumps among others) and featured multiple Olympic-winning programs. This is not just some fancy ice show, but a serious sports performance as well. Since 'Echoes of Life' is the third installment of the series, the athletic merit is expected to be of the same caliber as its predecessors.

I'll try to figure out how to adjust the hook in a way that it sounds more exciting. I'm open to smart suggestions. Henni147 (talk) 10:02, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given that this is a figure skating article, maybe Figureskatingfan might have some hook suggestions? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you asked, I think that ALT3 is fine. How 'bout this for a shorter version, though: ALT4: "... that the Echoes of Life Tour by two-time Olympic figure skating champion Yuzuru Hanyu is directed by Mikiko, a choreographer of the 2016 Summer Olympics closing ceremony?" Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:07, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a bit on the long side and may have too many distracting blue links. Maybe it could be revised further? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: ALT4a: ... that the director for Yuzuru Hanyu's Echoes of Life Tour choreographed the 2016 Summer Olympics closing ceremony?--Laun chba ller 00:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm good with ALT4a. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reinstating tick for ALT4a only. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]