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Travel brochure

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Part of this article reads too much like a travel brochure 71.167.122.146 (talk) 19:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Districts?

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Dushanbe is divided into 4 districts (raion). Can anyone assist me with the names? Rarelibra (talk) 16:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The four districts of Dushanbe fan out as four sectors from the center of the city (Ayni Square). Clockwise from 12 noon: (1) Ismail Somoni district, north and north-east; (2) Shokhmansur district, east and south-east; (3) Firdavsi (Firdausi) district, south-west; (4) Abuali Ibn Sina district, west. If necessary, I can send you a scanned "thumbnail" map with the schematic arrangement of the districts. Cheers. --Zlerman (talk) 06:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TAJIK or FARSI

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"Dushanbe, which means "Monday" in Tajik" I don't know why it says Tajik instead of Farsi/Persian. With this subcategorizing the Farsi/Persian language to Tajik/Irani/Luri/…. We are just making this language weaker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.172.50 (talk) 06:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dushanbe's Climate

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As crazy as it sounds, based on the Koppen system Dushanbe indeed has a Mediterranean climate. In fact, the climate is solidly Mediterranean. Dushanbe has no month where average monthly temperatures falls below -3 C, so it’s not a D (Continental) climate. The city's coldest monthly average is about 4.5 C which is about 7.5 C higher than a D climate threshold. It's clearly not bordering the continental climate threshold. The city features wet winters and dry summers, with the driest summer month seeing about only 5/1000 the precipitation of the wettest winter month. This eliminates it from the humid subtropical climate category. Dushanbe’s warmest month average is well above 22 C, so it’s not any form of an oceanic climate. When you run the calculations for aridity (see semi-arid climate page for guidance on this) for Dushanbe, you’ll find that the climate is not quite semi-arid. Despite its decidedly unconventional location for a Mediterranean climate, Dushanbe has this climate. G. Capo (talk) 04:03, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Districts 2

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The links are to the persons after whom they are named, not the localities themselves. Jackiespeel (talk) 18:10, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I'm happy to take a look at this. It's clearly had a lot of work put into it, and is in a nice shape at first glance. The obvious glaring issue is the structure. It has an absolutely overwhelming table of contents, caused by a proliferation of tiny sections and paragraphs. The early History section is particularly egregious, but there's issues throughout. Some tables have their own subheaders! Compare to Kigali, which just became an FA. This article also trends a bit on the long side at 62kB of prose, but only a bit. I also note the references include a Facebook page, unreliable, and a Xinhua page, which has been deprecated on Wikipedia so should probably be replaced. CMD (talk) 14:06, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking the time to review the article. I definitely see your point on the sections. My reason for the sections in the early history section was the periodization in the book I used as a source for it, but I could definitely change it if it's too much. I've gone ahead and replaced those two references. Zoozaz1 talk 15:22, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's definitely too much here (good for a History of Dushanbe article perhaps), and elsewhere in the article. The Kigali article for example has 9 level 3 headers throughout the article body. I'm not asking you to go to that level necessarily, but there's currently 9 level 4 headers in the first level 3 section alone! Reviewing this will take some time, so please bear with me on it. I'll make minor edits as I go along as I find that's easier than raising them here and causing more work for you, but please do check them. As a start in addition to MOS:PARA concerns, the last sentence in Etymology is unsourced. CMD (talk) 15:52, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine. I've decreased the amount of section headers and added a source. Zoozaz1 talk 17:01, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Etymology

Part of this seems copied from the Factbook. I reworded the first part, leaving the second part for now but if you can think of a way to reword it please do.

Ancient times
Market town
  • "Referred to as "Kasabai Dushanbe," when the village was under the control of Balkh." Not sure what this sentence means.
  • "This reflected Dushanbe's status as a town..." What reflected the status as a town, and when?
  • Is there a reason "turn of the century" is wikilinked?
  • I'm struggling to follow from this section the control of the city. Was the Balkh independent? When did Hisor come into control? How did the Russian Government have the power to reallocate the city?
  • The railroad was proposed to connect the town to where?
  • Why is Bu(o)khara spelt in two different ways?
  • "The population during the struggle" What is the struggle?
Capital of the Tajik SSR
  • "A Tajik Soviet Socialist Republic separate from the Uzbek SSR was created in 1929". My impression is that the ASSR was given a new status, rather than a new entity being created.
  • The "Dushanbe was chosen..." sentence feels very out of place, as it was already the capital at this point. There's other parts of this section that also feel out of place chronologically.
  • The map image also seems a bit out of place, with an insufficient caption.
  • The sentence on the Jewish population feels like quite an immediate red flag. The source isn't giving me much. The paragraph is also out of place.
  • "...was completed 90 kilometers south east of Dushanbe during that time period." Which time period is this?

Leaving the rest of history for now, but overall I did not feel this prose was structured as well as it could be.

Geography
  • "Before the 60s", the century needs to be specified.
  • Cyclones?
  • There's no explanation for what the "green line" is.
  • "one of the greenest capitals in Central Asia". There's only a handful of capitals in Central Asia.
  • "including five rodents, foxes, and bats", a bit ambiguous.
  • "300 insects inhabit the city", with insects and large numbers of species, it's often best to hedge with adjectives such as "identified species".
  • The text suggests there was an administrative reorganisation of some kind in 2020, but this isn't covered or explained.
  • The main sights list is unsourced. There should be an external source assessing significance as main sights.
  • This section oddly doesn't mention the Gissar valley.
Demographics

The demographics section feels very very small. Outside of religion, it's two sentences. There's surely much more that could be said here in text, about the population structure, ethnicity, and so on. The tables and images provide additional detail, but shouldn't be relied on to convey the basic information. The historical population table is well-sourced compared to most historical population tables I see on Wikipedia, but there's still some parts missing.

  • The text covering Islam should be in one block, not split between two paragraphs.
  • It feels misleading to call Orthodoxy "the second largest religious community", without the context in the source that it's only about 0.5% of Tajikistan as a whole. I'm not seeing the second largest claim in the source either.
Education
  • "60% of university students", I assume this means 60% of university students in Tajikistan, but this should be specified.
  • Odd jump from pre-Soviet to modern day to Soviet again.
  • The shift from state to private education is mentioned, but it is unclear whether the institutions listed afterwards with growing enrolment are state or private.
  • What is a "national university" in terms of university classification?
  • The University of International Relations mention lacks dates.
  • "Other Russian branches" should be changed to "Other branches of Russian universities"
  • The paragraph beginning "The Tax Law Institute in Dushanbe" has no clear focus, and dips back into history after previous paragraphs covered the current period.

Overall this section could have a better structure, with more general information in earlier paragraphs.

Transportation
  • The images in Air Transport lack captions.
  • The list of places served is a confusing mix of different political/geographical entities.
  • The road system subsection should probably occur earlier than the trolleybus subsection.
Infrastructure
  • It's unclear to me what the five stages are. What is the stage that occurred in the 1920s called?
  • Is the hydroelectricity really in Dushanbe, or is it produced near Dushanbe?
  • It is implied there has been a 13 year crisis. If so, it'd be good to get this stated more clearly.
  • The electricity section also has chronological jumps.
  • Water and sanitation is a bit repetitive, "Most of the water system in Dushanbe was built during the Soviet era...much of the water system dates from 1932"
  • When was the relevant 9 month period for the Sari Osiyo, Christian, and Shokhmansur cemetary burials?
  • Is the Jewish cemetery one of the 14 unofficial ones?
  • I would expect mention of temporary Covid hospitals to come after coverage of the permanent hospitals.
Economy
  • "The average salary of the city is 1402.67 somoni and there is a high inflation rate of 8.9% as of 2014, and $499.7 million were invested into the city from foreign sources during the same time period." This feels like a sentence of three unconnected points.
  • Retail is a clear example of an unnecessary subheading, it should be combined with the main text as financial services currently are.
  • "The industry produces over 300 types of products." What is "The industry"?
  • "Building materials, such as cement, oil and plastics, of which there are 3 main gas deposits,[173] wood, and printing, which was 80% of the republic's capacity and began in 1926,[148] are all created or completed in the city as well.[172]" This sentence is also unclear in meaning, seemingly combining a number of unrelated points.
Culture

It's often tricky to write Culture sections, but it is useful to have an introduction that gives an overall background/picture of culture, rather than jumping straight into subsections. As it is, the Culture section reads as a series of unrelated subsections, with no connecting thread.

  • "Continuing with a nationalist tradition". Is this a reference to the Tajik nationalist literature mentioned in the previous section? If so, this is the sort of connection that would fit within a general overview.
  • Was there really no painting until the 1920s? This feels like a significant claim.
  • The holidays don't seem that relevant to the city, as they all sound like national holidays.
Media
  • The media section seems quite reliant on a 1999 HRW source. Is there nothing more recent?
  • Much of the rest comes from a 2009 souce, which is more recent but still misses the last decade.

Overall though I'm impressed by this section, it seem an unusually well sourced media section.

Notable people

This section lacks sources, and is probably arbitrary? Generally I think these sections get removed, as they are more approrpiate for categories unless a reliable source is found to support a list.

Lead
  • The lead states the population is mostly Tajik, but as mentioned earlier this detail isn't covered in the Demographics section text.
  • Phrasing such as "After the war, the city became capital" should probably be avoided as the city was already the capital for decades prior, with the status of the entity it was the capital of changing rather than the capital status itself.
  • Why does the infobox have a map of Tokharistan?
  • What is the area rank a ranking of? Same question for population rank.

Overall however this is quite a good lead.

The above is not comprehensive, and I feel the issues I have found will take quite a bit to fix. I will be closing this GAN as unsuccessful due to this, although I am happy to offer further comments later if desired. As I noted at the beginning the article is slightly on the long side, so in general the need is less a question of adding information as it is consolidating and refining what already exists. Going a bit beyond GAN requirements, the image organisation seems a bit random, and in places they are overwhelming. The first source in the reference section is a bare url, which I thought was a bad omen, but the rest are formatted. This is an admirably ambitious article to get to GA, and I hope my comments can help improve it. Best, CMD (talk) 17:37, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the extensive feedback, I'll keep working on it to get it to GA status. Zoozaz1 talk 18:26, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Review

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Comments in red are unaddressed points from the previous review.

Lead/infobox

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1 Etymology

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  • No comment

2 History

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  • What is the difference between Gissar and Hissar? Gissar Valley and Hissar (Hispar) Valley seem to be two separate places, but "Hissar" is only listed as an alternative spelling for the former?
  • Recommend using Template:Convert for distances
  • I'm struggling to follow from this section the control of the city. Was the Balkh independent? When did Hisor come into control? How did the Russian Government have the power to reallocate the city?
    • Follow up from me: It is generally unclear how Russians came to influence over the city; this is my primary concern
      • Thank you for noticing this. I looked into it more and the sources are saying different things. The Encyclopedia Iranica, a tertiary source, claimed that the Russians gave it to Bukhara, but looking into the secondary sources the encyclopedia cited they only say that Russia delaminated the boundary, not that Russia gave the territory to Bukhara. Looking further, modern secondary sources say that it was a Bukharan expedition not even supported by the Russia, but which presumably was recognized by the Russians after the fact. Zoozaz1 talk 20:43, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He fled to Afghanistan after the Red Army conquered the area the next year, 4 March 1921." From the only online source referenced here, it seems that he fled on 4 March 1921 (this should be made clearer in the sentence), but it is unclear whether this was before or after the Red Army conquered Dushanbe.
    •  Done Note that every source is available online, and Tajkistan: A Political and Social History is an open access book which says (or at least implies) that he fled after the Soviet invasion. Zoozaz1 talk 19:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Dushanbe also had the only Jewish population in the Tajik SSR (of about 600) whom were involved in trade and tailoring." The section this statement is in is on the Tajik ASSR. Does the source specify SSR or ASSR?
  • "On 12 August 1924, the first newspaper of the town, Voice of the East, was published in Arabic and soon after a Russian-language paper, Red Tajikistan, began publication." Do we know the native-language names of these newspapers (i.e. the names in the language under which they were published?)
  • "In 1924, the first regular plane route began from Dushanbe to Bukhara and another from Dushanbe to Tashkent, and the post office was set up." Should be specified that "the first regular plane routes from Dushanbe", not simply "first regular plane route" (the first regular plane route began before 1924 I assume). Also, the Russian-language source attributed with this statement does not seem to mention any plane routes (I used Google Translate)?
    •  Done: Google translate has "And one more event shocked the inhabitants of all the surrounding villages. On September 3, 1924, the first plane landed in Duchambe on its remote outskirts - on an endless field, currently starting from the former building of the Main Post Office to the building of the National State Bank of the Republic of Tatarstan. Joint Stock Company "Dobrolet" (Russian Society of Voluntary Air Fleet) opened an air line. And the regular movement of passenger aircraft began on the Bukhara-Dushambe route. At the end of 1924, the Duchambe-Tashkent line began to operate. This flight took about 10 hours;" with a very long page such as that one Google Translate often does not translate the entire page until you scroll down. Zoozaz1 talk 19:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why are the 1923 telegraph and railroad developments mentioned after 1924 plane routes?
  • Why is the map of the Tajik ASSR in the section for the Tajik SSR?
  • "the population of Dushanbe and Tajikistan swelled with 100,000 evacuees from the front" Which front? I assume the Eastern Front (could also be linked)?
  • "In the 1960s, under the leadership of Mahmudbek Narzibekov, the first zoo was built in the city along with a plan to end the housing shortage and provide free apartments." It says on the page for the Dushanbe Zoo that it was founded in 1960. This could be specified (and the zoo linked) in the article.
  • Unclear where the Russian-backed government of Tajikistan came from. Was Rahmon's government Russian-backed (this should be clarified, if so)? I think the the cleanest way to deal with this would be to simply delete "On 24 November 1991, Rahmon Nabiev was elected President of Tajikistan, defeating Davlatnazar Khudonazarov." and "Nabiev was soon forced to resign before the government abolished the office of president and chose Emomoli Rahmon as head of state; in 1994, the office of president was re-established with Rahmon chosen to be president once again." since these have nothing to do with Dushanbe specifically, and thus, there is no need to establish which of these administrations were Russian-backed or not.
  • "Iran, the United States, and Russia soon opened embassies in Dushanbe." Do we know exactly when (at least the year or month?)
  • Overall, there were some cases in which dates at the beginning of sentences as dependent clauses were not consistently followed by commas (I fixed them myself in this section). However, please see that the rest of the article is punctuated properly.

3 Geography

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  • Elevation numbers need a ref (ref 22 does not include everything)
  • Elevation units could also use the Convert template
  • What units are these earthquake magnitudes given in? (Richter scale? Moment magnitude scale?)
  • "...the winters are chilly but not very cold" Sounds like something more from a weatherman than from an encyclopedia? "Not very cold" is quite subjective depending on where you are from. Recommend just eliminating the entire sentence this is a part of, since climate classification already gives a precise and more objective description of the temperature/humidity.
  • "Winters are not as cold as further north..." Are we comparing this to other Tajik cities? This needs to be specified.
  • "January 2008 was particularly cold, and the temperature dropped to −22 °C (−8 °F)." Is this a record low? If not, then this detail seems unnecessary.
  • What exactly is a "semi-savanna climate"? The link redirects to just "Savanna", which also doesn't really describe what a "semi-savanna climate" is, let alone, what a "savanna climate" is. It seems that savannas appear under a number of contemporary Köppen classifications.
  • There's no explanation for what the "green line" is.
  • "one of the greenest capitals in Central Asia". There's only a handful of capitals in Central Asia.
    • Follow up: this doesn't even say that Dushanbe is the greenest of the capitals, just one of the greenest.
      • minus Removed
  • "including five rodents, foxes, and bats", a bit ambiguous.
    • Follow up: We don't have to list the exact species name of every one of these rodents, but do we at least know specifically, how many fox and how many bat species? The source is entirely in Tajik, so I'll leave this to you to figure out (I presume you have more knowledge in this language, since you nominated this article after all).
  • "...with 3.11 million copies" Copies of what? Books, I assume?

4 Demographics

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  • "53,118 thousand people migrated to the city" I know the original source Google translates to this, but if this were true, then Dushanbe would be the largest city in the world. Can you check to see if all they really meant was 53,118 (I can't read Russian).
  • I rearranged some sentences around for *what I think is* better organization (roughly chronological order). Feel free to revert though.
  • The demographics section feels very very small. Outside of religion, it's two sentences. There's surely much more that could be said here in text, about the population structure, ethnicity, and so on.
    • Follow up: There is good work done on the population growth side of things, but the singular addition of a life expectancy statistic seems rather odd to me. Surely, there are still more things to add? See Kigali for examples of what to add.
  • "In spring 2010, after the celebration of the Iranian New Year, Emomali Rahmon announced Dushanbe as the capital of Islamic culture."
  • "In October 2009, Rahmon launched the construction of a new central mosque in Dushanbe, which will replace the existing Haji Yakub Mosque, should become the largest in Central Asia, and will be built at the expense of Qatari investors." is not exactly parallel structure and was confusing on the first read-throughs. Rewording is suggested.
  • "(ROC Central Asian diocese of the Moscow diocese)" This detail can not be found in the cited source. It also does not make sense for the Central Asian diocese to be under or a part of the Moscow diocese? (unless the dioceses are hierarchical?)
  • "The spiritual center of the Orthodox Church in Dushanbe and the country is St. Nicholas Cathedral, whose permanent flock is up to a thousand parishioners." None of this (besides the fact that St. Nicholas is an Orthodox cathedral in Dushanbe) appears to be supported by the source.

Notice: from here on out, I'll be mainly checking to see if the previous reviewer's concerns have been met; these comments are not comprehensive

5 Education

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  • What is a "national university" in terms of university classification?
  • The University of International Relations mention lacks dates.

6 Transportation

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  • "...and then onto China or Kyrgyzstan." How can a road go onto "China or Kyrgyzstan"? Did the road builders forget which country they built it towards?
  • "...while not going through Uzbekistan." Why? This makes even less sense given that later railways pass through or connect to Uzbekistan.
  • It seems that all of the previous reviewer's concerns have been met for this section
  • Follow up to the Rail transport concern: I noticed that the main "current" source for this is 3 years old. (for example, do we know that the government is still promoting "A proposed line from Dushanbe to Herat and Mashad"?) Also the chronology of this section is messed up, with current status going before past developments followed again by current railroad status.
  • Native name of "Tajik Railways" (as provided here maybe?) should be included. Should also mention that the railways from Dushanbe are state-run.

7 Infrastructure

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  • Is the hydroelectricity really in Dushanbe, or is it produced near Dushanbe?
    • Follow up: On the article for the Nurek dam, it says that it is located some 47 mi east of Dushanbe. While the dam itself is relevant in Infrastructure, not sure whether its mention is relevant to the History section of the city proper.
  • "For the 9-month period in 2019, 225 were buried here." Were an additional 225 buried in the cemetery, or were a total of 225 buried in the cemetery during that period?
  • Healthcare subsection still seems pretty disorganized to me. The second paragraph discusses an assortment of facilities, and then the the third paragraph discusses an even greater assortment of facilities, with no clear chronological or thematic organization.

8 Economy

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  • "The industry produces over 300 types of products." What is "The industry"?
  • Organization could be clarified in this section. There seems to be 1 paragraph on overall figures, 1 paragraph on trade, 2 paragraphs on manufacturing/industrial history (but not very chronological), followed by three sentences on retail, and a tourism paragraph
    • I recommend that a subsection be created for Manufacturing where the paragraphs be more distinctly arranged in chronological order, and another subsection for Service industry which encompasses retail and tourism.

9 Culture

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  • Suggestion for decreasing number of headings in TOC:
    • Condense Music, Dance, and Theater into one section called Performing arts (there is already some overlap in topic/content between sections that can be reduced)
    • Condense Painting and Sculpture into one section called Visual arts
This should hopefully result in only 5 distinct but decently-sized sections for Culture
 Done Zoozaz1 talk 21:27, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, but the newly merged section for Performing arts could now use some better work in chronological organization. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 21:36, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

10 Media

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  • Much of the rest comes from a 2009 souce, which is more recent but still misses the last decade.
    • Follow up: The addition of one or two sentences at the end of each subsection does not amply meet this point, I believe. Surely, with the overall expansion of social media (and media in general) throughout the world, there would be more to say about the last few decades?

Judgement

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I'm going to call a premature end to this review. Not all points from the last review were addressed (see red comments), including insufficient Demographic coverage and lack of clarity in History. In general, there were also stylistic issues (mainly lack of commas, and semicolons as separators) and organization problems. I do appreciate however, the overall improved structure as well as your prompt responses. I'm afraid however, that only 4 sections in, and the issues regarding this article are already beyond minor prose fixes. I am failing this nomination, but please feel free to ping me when you decide to renominate as I'll be happy to look over again. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 21:31, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, if I have time I'll keeping trying to get it to GA status. Zoozaz1 talk 21:46, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. It's a mighty big article, and you've already accomplished quite a lot for its current state. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 21:52, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Is tajik is a drug free country

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Idk..but morever this question is whaat 103.177.253.41 (talk) 20:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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