Talk:Dory (fish)

Dory

What about the Walleye?: 2. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Animals) another name for walleye (the fish) from French dorée gilded, from dorer to gild, from Late Latin deaurāre, ultimately from Latin aurum gold. Dory 84.23.155.84 (talk) 15:07, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Added. The Free Dictionary seems to cite Collins as its source, so I cited that directly. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 November 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Dory (fish) be renamed and moved to Dory (species).

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Dory (fish) → Dory (species) – Althoguh it may be expected that the character is a type of one of these species, Paracanthurus isn't listed here so WP:DABCONCEPT may not apply. The character has 6,153 views compared with only 2,709[[1]] for the species. I think this title may WP:ASTONISH readers given they are probably more familiar with the character they would not find out though that the character is a type of these species. Dory (fish type) or Dory (common name) but Category:Set index articles on animal common names doesn't have any forms other than "fish". Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Raladic (talk) 23:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Feeglgeef (talk) 17:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Dory (species) might imply that the term refers to a specific species. It's also not really a coherent type or category of fish. As the article describes, it does not – especially when considering the term's application to Pangasius and walleye. Perhaps Dory (common name)? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, what about Dory (fisheries term) to match Whitefish (fisheries term)?--Ortizesp (talk) 14:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that makes sense especially given its not a single fish. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ortizesp and Crouch, Swale: Is "dory" specifically a term used for edible fish? If so, I would support that proposal. But if not, maybe something like Dory (fish type) would be better. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 19:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't really seem to refer to a coherent type. Walleye are not laterally compressed like Zeiformes, and Pangasius are actually vertically compressed catfish. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, I don't know much about fish. I'd note that the article about the type of fish the character is is poisonous but as noted it doesn't appear to be a type of the generic dory. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Fishes has been notified of this discussion. Raladic (talk) 23:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support something (TBD), and then redirect Dory (fish) to Dory (disambiguation) as WP:INCDAB. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 19:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Dory (fish) is a classic example of incomplete disambiguation. Andrewa (talk) 00:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose: there are many species of fish known as 'Dory'. This move implies that the article is about an individual species. YorkshireExpat (talk) 21:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The species is clearly primary over the character. Very sad to suggest that it isn't. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:43, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that it would be sad to assert that the character was the primary meaning of Dory (fish) but I also think that we can and should improve on the current article title. Andrewa (talk) 00:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Primary for a qualifier when the other gets more views? Qualifiers are generally supposed to be unambiguous, it doesn't generally make sense to have ambiguous qualifiers especially when quite possibly most people seeing this title would expect the character. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:34, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination, per King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ and per comments by BarrelProof and Ortizesp. The current form — Dory (fish) — implies that the article is about an individual fish named "Dory". A move to the effect of Dory (fish) → Dory (fish species) might gain some form of consensus. Earlier this year, a nomination positing that Feist (dog) implied a dog named "Feist" resulted in a move to Feist (dog breed) at Talk:Feist (dog breed)#Requested move 3 March 2024. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:11, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Roman Spinner Well it shouldn't because it's not a fish species, so is completely incorrect. YorkshireExpat (talk) 17:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose; weak oppose for "fisheries term". Dory is not a species. The 113 fish listed directly under Category:Fish common names use the disambiguators "fish" (16 times) and "fisheries term" (once, for whitefish). Whitefish (fisheries term) avoids "fish" because it refers to a class of white-fleshed food fish (e.g. whiting and cod) that excludes fish with "whitefish" in their name. Dory refers to a class of (often food) fish that includes fish with "dory" in their name. If the consensus here is to move, I'd support "fisheries term" as the best alternative, but this still seems clunky/unnatural to me. Preimage (talk) 06:00, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. As an alternative option to my support vote, above, I would also support the above-proposed Dory (fisheries term). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 08:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I would support Dory (fisheries term), or similar. YorkshireExpat (talk) 18:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support Dory (fisheries term) or anything similar (added 15:48, 20 December 2024 (UTC): List of fishes known as dory sounds better) - I do believe that better disambiguation is a benefit here, as our readers are often unaware of our disambiguation policies and would likely benefit from this. If "Dory" is not a species, we definitely need a better term, and although I'm not entirely sold on this option, it is at least an improvement. ASUKITE 18:49, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll suggest List of fishes known as dory. There are some other pages named this way, like List of plants known as laurel. (The style seems rare for animals but a little more common among pages about plants.) In any case I generally support some move. Adumbrativus (talk) 07:54, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]