Talk:Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8: 3 months

WARNING: ACTIVE COMMUNITY SANCTIONS

The article Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, along with other pages relating to the Syrian Civil War and ISIL, is designated by the community as a contentious topic. The current restrictions are:

Limit of one revert in 24 hours: This article is under WP:1RR (one revert per editor per article per 24-hour period)

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be sanctioned.

Remedy instructions and exemptions

Enforcement procedures:

Violations of any restrictions (excluding 1RR/reverting violations) and other conduct issues should be reported to the administrators' incidents noticeboard. Violations of revert restrictions should be reported to the administrators' edit warring noticeboard.
Editors who violate any listed restrictions may be blocked by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offense.
An editor must be aware before they can be sanctioned.

With respect to any reverting restrictions:

Edits made solely to enforce any clearly established consensus are exempt from all edit-warring restrictions. In order to be considered "clearly established" the consensus must be proven by prior talk-page discussion.
Edits made which remove or otherwise change any material placed by clearly established consensus, without first obtaining consensus to do so, may be treated in the same manner as clear vandalism.
Clear vandalism of any origin may be reverted without restriction.
Reverts of edits made by anonymous (IP) editors that are not vandalism are exempt from the 1RR but are subject to the usual rules on edit warring. If you are in doubt, contact an administrator for assistance.

If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it here on this talk page first. Remember: When in doubt, don't revert!

This article was nominated for deletion on 2 February 2014 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

This article was nominated for merging with Human rights in Rojava on 27 March 2016. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Syria Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Syria, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Syria on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SyriaWikipedia:WikiProject SyriaTemplate:WikiProject SyriaSyria
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Kurdistan Top‑importance

	Kurdistan portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Kurdistan, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to Kurdistan on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.KurdistanWikipedia:WikiProject KurdistanTemplate:WikiProject KurdistanKurdistan
Top	This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

Assyria Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Assyria, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Assyrian-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.AssyriaWikipedia:WikiProject AssyriaTemplate:WikiProject AssyriaAssyrian
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Limited recognition Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Limited recognition, a WikiProject dedicated to improving the coverage of entities with limited recognition on Wikipedia by contributing to articles relating to unrecognized states and separatist movements. To participate: Feel free to edit the article attached to this page, join our WikiProject by signing your name at the project page, or contribute to the project discussion.Limited recognitionWikipedia:WikiProject Limited recognitionTemplate:WikiProject Limited recognitionLimited recognition
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

2010s Mid‑importance

	2010s portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject 2010s, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of 2010s on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.2010sWikipedia:WikiProject 2010sTemplate:WikiProject 2010s2010s
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the importance scale.

Socialism High‑importance

	Socialism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Socialism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of socialism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SocialismWikipedia:WikiProject SocialismTemplate:WikiProject Socialismsocialism
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Anarchism

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Anarchism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of anarchism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.AnarchismWikipedia:WikiProject AnarchismTemplate:WikiProject Anarchismanarchism

Anarchism WikiProject open tasks
watch · edit · history · talk · purge

Recognized content · Drafts & requests · Subscribe · Member list · Resources · How can I help?

Articles for deletion

13 Dec 2024 – Postcolonial anarchism (talk · edit · hist) AfDed by Grnrchst (t · c) was closed as merge by OwenX (t · c) on 20 Dec 2024; see discussion (5 participants)

Good article nominees

09 Dec 2024 – Liceu bombing (talk · edit · hist) was GA nominated by Grnrchst (t · c); start discussion
04 Dec 2024 – Los Solidarios (talk · edit · hist) was GA nominated by Grnrchst (t · c); start discussion
28 Nov 2024 – Alt Llobregat insurrection (talk · edit · hist) was GA nominated by Grnrchst (t · c); start discussion

Peer reviews

26 Oct 2024 – Lucy Parsons (talk · edit · hist) has been put up for PR by Mujinga (t · c); see discussion

Articles for creation

13 Dec 2024 – Draft:José de Molina (talk · edit · hist) has been submitted for AfC by MexicanSoda (t · c)

Cleanup (0) · Potentially related articles · Recent edits · Recent Commons images · Stub expansion project (512)

This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

Discussions:

RM, Syrian Kurdistan → Rojava, Moved, 18 January 2015, Discussion
RM, Democratic Federation of Northern Syria → Rojava, No consensus to move, 25 April 2018, Discussion
RM, Democratic Federation of Northern Syria → Northern and Eastern Syria, Not moved, 17 January 2019, Discussion
RM, Democratic Federation of Northern Syria → Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, Moved to Rojava, 28 February 2019, Discussion
RM, Rojava → North and East Syria, Not moved, 14 October 2019, Discussion
RM, Rojava → Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, Moved, 30 June 2020, Discussion

Income level citation

There is a factoid in the article that says (government?) salaries in the AANES are double that of surrounding communities. "The AANES has by far the highest average salaries and standard of living throughout Syria, with salaries being twice as large as in regime-controlled Syria; following the collapse of the Syrian pound the AANES doubled salaries to maintain inflation, and allow for good wages."

This is a strong claim, with no citation to back it up, and no citation needed tag attached to the claim. Djcart137 (talk) 21:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was added to the article in this revision from 2021 by user Des Vallee. Sisuvia (talk) 11:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023 New Social Contract

On December 12, 2023, the region adopted an updated version of their 2014 Social Contract and changed their name to the Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria.

I've never done edits to Wikipedia before, much less large-scale ones, what sort of resources are needed to prove and cite the change and to edit the main page with the updated information? Mayaman2 (talk) 12:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think all you'll need to do is provide an (reputable) article that mentions the amended 2023 social contract, as well as citing the new social contract itself. Remikipedia (talk) 05:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible undue weight given to pre-AANES history

Hey all. Reading over this article now, I'm concerned that too much text is being devoted to history prior to the establishment of the AANES. In the history section, half(!) of the entire text is discussing pre-AANES history. It uses almost 1,500 words to go over the entire history of the region, dating back thousands of years, often with an unclear relation to the AANES. Most of the cited sources were written years, sometimes even decades, before the AANES was established, so it's hard to establish how much of this has a direct connection to the AANES and what is just patent synth.

This isn't limited to the history section either. The demographics section begins with a few long paragraphs about historical demographic changes that go back centuries! Again, many of the citations are to sources written before the AANES was established, so the connection of this information to the subject is difficult to establish.

By my estimation, this kind of over-contextualisation based on old sources takes up almost 25% of this article's text. I think a lot of this text could be cut, or at least greatly reduced, in order to keep it focused on the subject of the article. We should also be sticking to sources about the AANES, so we can establish a clear connection between the earlier history of the region and this polity. I'm happy to attend to this once I'm done with some ongoing projects, just wanted to raise this issue here in case anyone else is interested in trimming down some of the over-contextualisation. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:29, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Grnrchst: Just as information, the current condition of the history section was the result of various past debates. Essentially, there were major disputes over the origin of AANES and its population, and the "over-contextualisation" emerged as a stable compromise which satisfied editors with often opposing viewpoints. Just to clarify, I'm not opposed to the history section being updated / rewritten (and I suspect many of the other editors involved in the old disputes aren't opposed either) -in fact, an update would be great-, I just wanted to inform you of the circumstances. Applodion (talk) 15:59, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Applodion: Thanks for letting me know, I appreciate it. :) --Grnrchst (talk) 21:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Democratic Autonomous Administration

In a previous section it was mentioned that the AANES changed its official name to the DAANES (D for Democratic). And it has seen usage from media too (such has this https://hawarnews.com/en/daa-calls-on-un-to-provide-support-for-displaced-people). I suggest those that can edit the page do so with the new added word Remikipedia (talk) 05:33, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should go further and move the article to Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria. Charles Essie (talk) 21:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The map needs to be updated daily

The SDF has already taken much territory including all remaining enclaves of pro Assad forces NateCT (talk) 06:43, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

==

It is requested that an edit be made to the extended-confirmed-protected article at Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria. (edit · history · last · links · protection log)

This template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it. "Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y".

The edit may be made by any extended confirmed user. Remember to change the |answered=no parameter to "yes" when the request has been accepted, rejected or on hold awaiting user input. This is so that inactive or completed requests don't needlessly fill up the edit requests category. You may also wish to use the {{EEp}} template in the response. To request that a page be protected or unprotected, make a protection request.

==

The link to the main article in the 'External relations' section should be to 'AANES–Ba'athist Syria relations' rather than to 'Rojava–Syria relations', to reflect the article's current title. Hexalogical (talk) 16:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New (old) flag

The Flag of the Syrian opposition is adopted as the new flag of the region as per: aanes-adopts-flag-of-syrian-revolution/ Erledigungs (talk) 13:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That source does not state it is adopted as the flag of the region, it states it is adopted as the accepted national flag for AANES. CMD (talk) 15:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, since they consider themselves to be a part of Syria, just that they want to extend its confederal model to the whole country, and neither do governorates in Syria have its own flags, I think it's reasonable to add the national flag as their flag if they have recognized it. DaniCBP (talk) 16:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's like adding the flag of the United States to Texas, it flies in Texas but it isn't the flag of Texas. CMD (talk) 17:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chipmunkdavis agreed, it is very misleading to imply green-white-black flag is the flag of the DAANES. it's not. TheThighren (talk) 23:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So is the revolutionary flag the accepted flag of Syria in this case? NorthTension (talk) 16:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's hard to say. At this point it may be safe to call it the de-facto flag of Syria, but not much else. 2601:406:8500:D790:4983:F5FA:5925:E8DC (talk) 17:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, in this case we have a source noting the revolutionary flag is explicitly the flag accepted by the AANES as the flag of Syria. CMD (talk) 17:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 December 2024

can footnotes a and b near flag and emblem be change to g and h

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

 SCR@TCH!NGH3@D (talk) 16:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to efn notes. Yue🌙 03:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]