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Italics

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Do we really need italics? This isn't a book. 98.143.79.127 (talk) 15:32, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note on Nationalists singling out signatories

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Nationalist and right-wingers (neo-nazi supporters) who are associated with Croatian Wikipedia have systematically introduced info on signatories of the Declaration on the Common Language as a way to single out what they perceive as traitors to Croatian national identity. This act makes signatories a frequent target of right-wing/nationalist media in Croatia. --2020W (talk) 06:36, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fortunately, they are irrelevant for our project, so is their impact here.--౪ Santa ౪99° 22:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Common Language WITHOUT NAME? =

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Serbs have the oldest calendar of the world that counts Year 7529 (in roman 2020/2021/). Also the oldest archeological sites as Vinca, Lepenski Vir, Starcevo, Nis... are Serbian sites where Paleolithic people with same genetic code I2a as todays Serbs have been found! Google: Serbian Paleolithic genes. Now, their language can not be called SERBIAN? There is no name of the common language because Croats (catholized Serbs) and Bosniacs (islamized Serbs) do not want to call it SERBIAN ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:6067:3400:2874:57E5:7184:7A5E (talk) 10:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Calendar and genes (even if true) have nothing to do with language and ethnic identification. When Slavs spread their language to the Balkans in the 600s they spoke only one single language, Proto-Slavic, which they called Slověnĭskŭ, not Serbian. Through the Middle Ages and into the Early Modern period, as the South Slavic languages diverged away and differentiated, the Western South Slavic language in question had many different names, from common names like slovinski and ilirski to regional names like srpski, hrvatski, dubrovacki, etc. In short, your argument has nothing to do with the reality of the situation. Vorziblix (talk) 14:15, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

POV problem

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Signatories are mostly serbian, the croat ones are just actors and directors. This should be reflected in the article, because this is how the idea of Yugoslavia started, by valuing serb voices more then croat voices. Also it should be noted that this declaration ignores historical facts, it only hangs on the idea of serbo-croatian that existed in Yugoslavia. What about all the croatian writes centuries before yugoslavia that wrote in croatian whose books are still being read in schools?! What about the book from Vuk Draskovic that says in it's beginning that 'serbs need their own language, croats already have theirs' and then proceds to rip off croatian writers to form modern serbian?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.252.199.174 (talk) 01:29, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You all speak the same language, the majority based on one dialect. In English, that is known as Serbo-Croatian. End of story. 50.111.34.139 (talk) 04:08, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Serb hysteria

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Both maps in this article are clear evidence of Anti-Serbian propaganda. First map reflects the majority people of Serbia by ethnicity (except Bosniaks) and not by the language, data used for Kosovo region come from population census of 2011 which was boycotted by majority of Serb and non-Albanian population. Second map exclude whole Kosovo like there are no speakers of common language there, although constitution of Serbia and constitution of majority unrecognized Kosovo clearly say that Serbian(part of Common language) is official language. Both maps favor borders of minority recognized by whole world(UN member States and world population) Albanian separatist state. This is exactly the same way and policy from 1945/74 to the present day how it was worked in communist Yugoslavia and beyond to infinity, we can have everything in common, language, state, culture... but at the expense of Serbian people and Serbian lands. That′s not gonna work again and Serbians learned a lesson to not have nothing in common with you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.135.250.235 (talk) 06:05, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now if someone from Bosnia or Montenegro could post a similar rant accusing this article of bias, it would finally attain consensual neutrality (if everyone thinks it's biased towards everyone else, it mustn't be biased--147.210.179.67 (talk) 13:40, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ridiculous rant, non-constructive to the article. 50.111.34.139 (talk) 04:09, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Several lists

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The page contains three lists of supporters. Wouldn't a common list be wrong?Xx236 (talk) 12:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The first list is about linguists, and most of them don't have articles on English Wikipedia. The second list is about people (not necessarily linguists) with articles on English Wikipedia, and for some reason placed inside the same table as text. Those two could be merged. The third list is a list of interviews and media articles made by some of these signatories, nothing to merge in this one. It's a good idea, you're not wrong. -Vipz (talk) 10:51, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It would be good to leave a separate list of linguists because some critics claim that there are no linguists among the signatories.--Darigon Jr. (talk) 06:42, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your heart's in the right place, but Wiki is not based on nationalist knee-jerk reactions to the activities of the Balkan states. That would give those idiots too much attention. We go by Reliable Sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.34.139 (talk) 04:11, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extremely biased article

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This article is so removed from the truth that it needs a complete overhaul.

1. the truth is that no eminent Croatian linguist signed this Declaration- except Snježana Kordić, who is a proponent of Serbo-Croatist ideology and is, as regards the history, profile & identity of Croatian and Serbian languages - irrelevant. She is, literally, a "political linguist" and her opus is, compared with the most prominent Croatian linguists'- virtually non-existent. She is just a public front for ideologized discourse on the Western South Slavic languages & nothing more. The most prominent Croatian linguists did not sign it; actually, they condemned it. This includes Radoslav Katičić, Stjepan Babić, Ranko Matasović, Sanda Ham, Stjepan Damjanović, Alojz Jembrih, Mijo Lončarić, Mario Grčević, Milan Mihaljević, Eduard Hercigonja, August Kovačec, Josip Lisac, Dragica Malić, Ivo Pranjković, Branka Tafra, Nataša Bašić, Dubravka Sesar, Sanja Vulić, Amir Kapetanović, ... as well as Leopold Auburger, Artur Bagdasarov,.. Even those linguists ideologically close to Kordić like Mate Kapović refused to sign it.

2. the fact that Noam Chomsky signed it means- nothing. His eminence in linguistics is not about identity of language(s), and especially about history, identity and status of modern languages. He is simply not an authority in this field. It would be as ridiculous to think than an expert on nuclear physics is an authority on astrophysics.

3. in the Serbian linguists case- only Ivan Klajn had signed it. Among other Serbian linguists (Miloš Kovačević, Rajna Dragićević, Predrag Piper, Dragoljub Petrović, ..)- it was simply dismissed.

4. so, although this text misrepresents the event- among, say, 50 most prominent Croatian and Serbian linguists virtually no one had signed it - it is false in other aspects, too: a) linguists are not a category of people who decide the status of a language (or languages). It is the whole language community. And the whole language community rejected it. No prominent Serbian or Croatian author signed it- most signatories are marginal journalists & "alternative scene" public figures. This "Declaration" has, in the past 6 years, "amassed" ca. 10,000 signatories, most of them unknown individuals, and those who are somehow publicly recognizable, actors, journalists & a few light-weight authors known for their Yugoslav nationalist positions. So, this entire text is, if noticed at all, universally rejected by the public in Croatia and Serbia, while in Bosnia and Herzegovina it was partially accepted by Bosnian Muslim/Bosniak cultural figures & rejected by Croatian and Serbian ones.

This article should be completely rewritten, because, as it stands, omits more than 80% of crucial information & thus is a grave distortion of truth. Mir Harven (talk) 10:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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List of potential sources

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Moving it here as an indiscriminate list of news articles shouldn't have been in the article, but some of these might be useful as supporting sources if someone wants to write more.

A bit too much for {{refideas}}
Health warning "smoking kills" from Bosnia-Herzegovina repeats a phrase three times: twice in the Latin script and once in Cyrillic.[1]

References

  1. ^ Ivančić, Viktor (27 July 2017). "Dnevnik čitanja: O općeprihvatljivim umorstvima" [Reading Diary: About Generally Acceptable Killings] (in Serbo-Croatian). Analiziraj.ba. Archived from the original on 4 August 2017. Retrieved 18 June 2019.

Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:22, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an "indiscriminate list". If the list were a "compilation of every time the Declaration has been mentioned in the media", it would be ten times larger. I invested 1200 working hours to make this selection. Apart from reading the less important articles, of course I also read everything from this list and I can say that they are extremely important, to a degree even more important than the references. And now they have been removed, after six years of being on the list. --Darigon Jr. (talk) 12:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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