Talk:David T. Beers

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Stephen Foley (2011-08-08). "S&P's powerful chief steps out of the shadows". The Independent. Retrieved 2011-08-08. Some time last Friday night, someone created a Wikipedia page for David T Beers. Overdue, you might think.

A fact from David T. Beers appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 August 2011 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that S&P sovereign ratings division head David T. Beers is responsible for the recent downgrade of the U.S. credit rating?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2011/August. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template talk:Did you know/David T. Beers.

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"He keeps a low profile, and as the Guardian noted on Friday 5 August 2011 "doesn't even have a Wikipedia page"."

Ha - fast work! 77.44.85.200 (talk) 01:07, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I do my best :) Malick78 (talk) 10:37, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nomenclature ...

I came here from the same article Malick78 responded to, on the Guardian, so thanks.

I think this should be re-named: he is not a "businessman" in the traditional sense. He is an executive of a firm, I suppose; maybe "analyst" might be a better title.

I'd agree, I wrote 'businessman' before thinking of 'analyst'. So, changing might be a good idea. Malick78 (talk) 08:07, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

- Actually, this says his name is David T Beers. So we can just use that as the name :) Much more elegant.Malick78 (talk) 08:22, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This page needs substantial cleaning up or it should be removed

This page consists of little more than innuendo sourced from the media. I happen to know David Beers personally and have a high degree of familiarity with Standard & Poor's. I note from the author's other Wikipedia contributions that he or she does not appear to be an expert in this field. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.162.216.86 (talk) 02:37, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The subject of this article contacted editors via the IRC #wikipedia-en-help

Somebody claiming to be the subject of this article contacted editors via the IRC helpdesk. Unfortunately his connection was terminated before he could identify specifically what his concerns are. If you are that person, please feel free to contact us again.--Salimfadhley (talk) 18:56, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As the subject person, I'm requesting a major rewrite of the article

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

What I think should be changed (include citations):

Why it should be changed:

About the recently posted legend saying payment may have been made to publish, I suggest you folks think again. I never sought and certainly never paid anyone to publish it. And I doubt it was published and/or paid for by anyone who knows me very well, if at all, because the article is so poor, content-wise. It says nothing about my age, where I was born, when I moved to the UK, my dual US-UK nationalities, my marital status, or about what I've been up to since 2011. There's plenty online to fill in such gaps for anyone interested in finding out, and the people who know me are well acquainted with them. So the "payment for Wikipedia article " hypothesis doesn't add up, at least to me.

If the Wikipedia community want to substantively update the article, why not gather more facts? Start with the Bank of Canada's press release on my appointment as special adviser there in 2012-13. (The Bank of Canada is that nation's central bank. One of your editors told me in 2011 that press releases are unreliable – consider the source!) And have a look at the professional papers I’ve published, including my Barron's op-ed last week on the S&P downgrade of the US ten years on at https://www.barrons.com/articles/us-debt-downgrade-51633382585?tesla=y

Other links to consider: ‪* David Beers‬ - ‪Google Scholar‬

David Beers (researchgate.net)
David Beers (LinkedIn) Feed | Linked
2005-2011 S&P Global Ratings Home | S&P Global Ratings (spglobal.com)
Bank of Canada (2014-2021) Search - Bank of Canada
Bank of England (2014-2021)

Selected media:

2021 (Barron’s) https://www.barrons.com/articles/us-debt-downgrade-51633382585?tesla=y.
2021 (Center for Financial Stability) http://www.centerforfinancialstability.org/
2015 (Financial Times) Sovereign borrowers fall behind on record sums of debt | Financial Times (ft.com)
2011 (Bank of Canada) Bank of Canada Announces Appointment of Special Adviser - Bank of Canada
2011 (Financial Times Sovereign debt: Hard to credit | Financial Times (ft.com)
2011 (Financial Times) Eurozone industry hit by big fall in orders | Financial Times (ft.com)

Dtbeers (talk) 16:07, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David. I was one of the people who you spoke to via the IRC helpdesk service. This isn't a constructive edit request because you didn't identify a change you wanted to make, and you didn't identify which source would allow us to verify that change. Unhelpfully, the items in your "Other links" do not seem to be links at all, but things you might suggest we look at. When the other editor said that these were "unreliable" sources, he was using a technical term of art. There are some kinds of sources we are not allowed to consider when editing Wikipedia articles. Press releases and government documents are two examples of those. I would be happy to explain why if you want to know.

So, please let's make this easy to process. Identify what you want changed. Feel free to suggest an alternative wording. Provide sources that verify each claim you want to make specifically. Make small changes, that editors can incrementally verify.

Nobody is trying to defame you. If you can work with us, we can get this fixed. --Salimfadhley (talk) 20:12, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Salimfadhley, I never thought you were trying to defame me, but I do think you misunderstood why I'm posting here. I am not interested in proposing edits to the existing article. I never asked to be written up on Wikipedia. My two points are these: 1) since you think that somebody might have paid the author to publish it, I suggest you take the article down, or 2) find someone else to rewrite the article who does some original research about me outside the rating downgrade episode. 11 years on from when this bio was published, no one has made a serious effort to update it by learning more about me, despite the fact that there is plenty to look at online, which is why I posted some suggested links.

As an aside, it's ironic that, having moved from the private to the public sector, you say that government websites are not considered reliable in Wikipedia space. Well, that's a problem for somebody like me whose career has been in both spheres and my activities in the public sector can, for the most part, be tracked via public sector websites. In any event, as no one appears to be interested in doing a rewrite of this bio, then delete the article and move on to other more fruitful topics! Dtbeers (talk) 20:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Salimfadhley,

I'm coming back to you with one specific request: that you correct the maistaken statement in the article that I live in London. That wasn't true in 2011, it isn't true now, and it hasn't been true since 2005. All this can be verified if anyone bothers to check.

It is accurate to say that I live in the United Kingdom, which has been the case since moving here in 1997.

Thanks.

David Dtbeers (talk) 11:23, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why has there been no response ro my request that the mistaken assertion that I live in London, which I first pointed out over a decade ago, not been corrected? 2A02:C7C:7CA3:A700:410C:B079:505:9D4E (talk) 09:45, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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