Talk:Créponné

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August 2022

Frederic Sarboni is neither a historian nor a scholar for their claim about history to be given any value, let alone be presented as a fact in Wikipedia's voice. The same for Christophe Certain and his so-called "family recipes". The claim about the etymology is pure WP:OR (the used source doesn't mention the primary topic).

Besides, even if the history of Creponne is to be established, it won't change a thing to the fact that this is an Algerian speciality (described as such in every source). M.Bitton (talk) 11:53, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello M.Bitton,

I also included a source from Taste atlas ^[1] and another from Africanews^[2] that both claim that Gibert Soriano is the creator of the dish.

I will add other references here.^[3] ^[4]

Regarding the etymology, créponné means "wavy" in French (from crépon), it is a term normally used to describe wavy fabric or clothes (see crepe paper). The dish is called like that because of the texture that remind a "tissu créponné". The source I included is about crépon^[5], créponné is the adjective derived from the noun crépon.

Algeria was a French territory from 1830 to 1962, créponné is a French word and we don't have references older than 1830 for this dish, it seems clear that it was created by the pied-noirs. Moha.Shamji (talk) 13:31, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1) None of those sources are good enough for claims about history. Not only that, but as far as I can tell, not a single one of them is substantiating the "claim" (the key word here), they are just repeating the hearsay in passing. 2) The etymology is WP:OR (as I explained already, the provided source doesn't mention the topic). 3) As for the dates: we don't have a reliable source about when it was invented (that much we know and that's all we can say for certain). 4) we don't have references older than 1830 for this dish This "dish" is just a sorbet whose history is known. It, as well as the lemon, existed in the Islamic world centuries before they were introduced into Europe. M.Bitton (talk) 15:59, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response.

I think these sources are good enough, we have tasteatlas, an online cuisine encyclopaedia and several journals from Algeria and Africa.

Créponné is not just a sorbet, it is made with whisked egg whites, making it a particular recipe.

Actually all the sources that talk about the origin of the dish talk about Gilbert Soriano, and there is no other version. Moha.Shamji (talk) 16:12, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, they don't and the ones that do are 1) unreliable for such a claim and 2) do so in passing do in passing. It's just a sorbet, nothing more nothing less, the only that is special about it is the fact that it's Algeria's favourite (that's all). M.Bitton (talk) 16:16, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Check the sources I have provided, or this one^[6].

It is not a normal sorbet, it is made with whisked egg whites, sorbets don't have eggs. Moha.Shamji (talk) 16:23, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

sorbets don't have eggs Sorbets that include egg white have been documented since the beginning of the 19th century, so your claim doesn't hold much water. M.Bitton (talk) 13:23, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You claim that without sources. Créponné is basically whisked egg whites with lemon flavour, it is not a common sorbet. Moha.Shamji (talk) 16:09, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, it's your claim that is completely baseless and impossible to source (just like the one you made before it). Try googling "aphrodisiac sorbet" and you'll find a recipe of a sorbet from 1844 that includes lemon and egg whites. M.Bitton (talk) 16:33, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

[1] ttps://www.tasteatlas.com/creponne

[2] ttps://fr.africanews.com/2023/08/18/algerie-une-famille-doran-preserve-la-tradition-du-sorbet-creponne/

[3] ttps://topdestinationsalgerie.com/patrimoine-national-immateriel-le-creponne-made-in-oran-en-voie-de-classement/?utm_content=cmp-true

[4] ttps://www.algeriepatriotique.com/2020/08/18/le-creponne-oranais-bientot-classe-patrimoine-national-immateriel/

[5] ttps://www.cnrtl.fr/etymologie/cr%C3%A9pon

[6] ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VMOtQQKBLM

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