Talk:Copper units of pressure

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units ?

'mPa' is used in the entry section, but 'MPa' is used in the 'comparing units' section. One is milli-Pascals, the other Mega-Pascals. Which is correct ?24.17.110.63 (talk) 15:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, technically just "Pa" in the first section would be acceptable, but since it's always going to be a big number, I'll change it to MPa. scot (talk) 21:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Invalid References

Note that I specifically refer to "cylinders", and am considering revolvers in the following offhand analysis.

None of the references listed in this article is adequate. Beyond that, essentially all of the info on this subject that can be found on the "net" is useless. Since gun manufacturers do not publish the yield points for their cylinders (or (easily determined, so I assume the test is done, but the data kept "in house"), published pressure data is only useful for "ballpark" estimation of relative peak stress produced in an adequately strong chamber.

For the record, cylinder strength data can be easily developed by attaching strain gages to an actual production cylinder, pressing a small metal plug in one end, filling the cylinder with silicone or urethane elastomer, and then compressing it with a properly fitted piston instrumented with a load cell. Test engineers will recognize what I am describing as an isostatic pressure test of hoop stress. Additional data would then be collected by testing a number of cylinders to failure and analyzing contributing factors to failure, performing followup low-cycle fatigue testing, and finally the determination of a safe limit. The data could then be used to evaluate strain data collected when the cylinder is used as designed in an actual gun frame (also instrumented to detect topstrap yield). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.3.249 (talk) 15:04, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe the term "cylinder" in this article refers to revolver cylinders. In reference to copper or lead unit of pressure (CUP or LUP) "cylinder" refers to the cylinder of copper or lead crushed by the piston in the chamber of the test barrel. The amount of crush in these cylinders is then measured to determine the amount of pressure generated by firing the cartridge. -- Naaman Brown (talk) 14:32, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Impulse

Despite the common usage, it's unclear to me that CUP is physical pressure units at all. Seems to me it's more related to pressure impulse units, as in Pascal-seconds. Lacking any scientific references, perhaps the article should make it clear up front that CUP as pressure is merely common non-scientific usage and strictly speaking it's not pressure so pressure units are misleading. Nadovich (talk) 14:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]