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Cone snails are the only known animals that produce D isomer amino acids.

This sounds extremely interesting, now where's the source ? Taw 00:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cone snails are the only known animals that produce D isomer amino acids.

There are no references for this in the article, and searching google and pubmed doesn't return any relevant results. So unless someone has some reference, I'm removing this sentence. Taw 08:59, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you enter "cone snail containing D isomer amino acids?" into Google, you will find that the issue concerning amino acids comes up..and not only with the Cone Snail. Other land dwelling snails seem to contain useful amino acids. Molliemcguire 19:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)molliemcguire[reply]

non scientific name for conus geographus?

Geography cone. SeeConus JoJan 18:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Having researched cone snails extensively for a report, I think I can be of help here. Conus geographus, like many other cone snails, is simply given the common name "cone snail". As for the amino acids part, the snails produce extremly potent neurological chemicals that "hack" the nervous system to do things like cause instant paralysis. They are being researched for medical purposes because of their extrem speed of effect, and lack of side effects(which would slow down the venom by getting in the way, a bad thing for a slow moving snail.) --Scorpion451 06:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This sentence seemed unnecessary in the introduction, so I removed it. "The shell when handled should be held with a large forceps since the harpoon can reach any part of the snail's shell surface. A wound caused by a cone sting should be treated by dipping the affected region in hot water for one hour in order to reduce the pain."Calamus Fortis 18:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting

First of all why the redirect. Articles on taxa (e.g. family Conidae) should be under a taxonomic, not vernacular heading .

Overall a collection of interesting facts but mostly regarding their venomous aspect with little on the general biology, ecology, or taxonomy.

Perhaps the Conidae artilce should be retaimed with basic information and taxobox with a link (not redirect) to this article, basically as is.

John McDonnell 14Jume2009 —Preceding undated comment added 20:39, 14 June 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Conus synonyms

There is a lot of genus that are synonyms of Conus but linking to a non-existing article. Should the links be removed or should a redirect be put in each case ? I'd go for a redirect since they would be picked up by the search engine. zubrowka74 02:54, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed this paragraph

I removed this paragraph because currently it is out-of-date, and I am not sure it needs including now, at least not in its present form. If people want to include it, my option is that it should be edited to be more up-to-date and relevant. Invertzoo (talk) 15:23, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"The World Register of Marine Species places all species within the family Conidae in the genus Conus and the genera recognized by Tucker & Tenorio 2009 are considered to be "alternate representations".^[1] Debate within the scientific community regarding this issue continues, and additional molecular phylogeny studies are being carried out in an attempt to clarify the issue.^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6]^[7]^[8]^[9]^[10]^[11]^[12]^[13]"

References

^ http://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=14107 Classification: Traditionally, all cone shells have been included in the Linnean genus Conus. Tucker & Tenorio (2009) have recently proposed an alternative shell- and radula-based classification that recognizes 4 families and 80 genera of cones. In WoRMS, we currently still recognize a single family Conidae (following Puillandre et al. 2011), but Tucker & Tenorio's 80 genera classification is presented as "alternative representation". [P. Bouchet, 14 Aug. 2011]
^ Cite error: The named reference Systematic was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Cite error: The named reference Bouchet 2011 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Cite error: The named reference C.M.L. Afonso 2011 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ N. Puillandre, E. Strong, P. Bouchet, M. Boisselier, V. Couloux, & S. Samadi (2009), "Identifying gastropod spawn from DNA barcodes: possible but not yet practicable", Molecular Ecology Resources 9:1311-1321.
^ Tucker J.K. & Tenorio M.J. (2009), Systematic Classification of Recent and Fossil Conoidean Gastropods, ConchBooks, Hankenheim, Germany, 295 pp.
^ P.K. Bandyopadhyay, B.J. Stevenson, J.P. Ownby, M.T. Cady, M. Watkins, & B. Olivera (2008), The mitochondrial genome of Conus textile, coxI-conII intergenic sequences and conoidean evolution. Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 46: 215-223.
^ S.T. Williams & T.F. Duda, Jr. (2008), Did tectonic activity stimulate Oligo-Miocene speciation in the Indo-West Pacific? Evolution 62:1618-1634.
^ R.L. Cunha, R. Castilho, L. Ruber, & R. Zardoya (2005), Patterns of cladogenesis in the venomous marine gastropod genus Conus from the Cape Verde Islands Systematic Biology 54(4):634-650.
^ T.F. Duda, Jr. & A.J. Kohn (2005), Species-level phylogeography and evolutionary history of the hyperdiverse marine gastropod genus Conus, Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 34:257-272.
^ T.F. Duda, Jr. & E. Rolan (2005), Explosive radiation of Cape Verde Conus, a marine species flock, Molecular Ecology 14:267-272.
^ B. Vallejo, Jr. (2005), Inferring the mode of speciation in the Indo-West Pacific Conus (Gastropoda: Conidae), Journal of Biogeography 32:1429-1439.
^ Biggs, J. S., Watkins, M. Showers Corneli, P. and Olivera, B. M. (2010). Defining a clade by morphological, molecular, and toxinological criteria: distinctive forms related to Conus praecellens A. Adams, 1854 (Gastropoda: Conidae). Nautilus 124:1-19 (naming new species and moving species from Kurodaconus to Turriconus).

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Request to merge Cone snail into this page

Cone snail is just the common name for Conidae, so I believe that the pages should be merged. Invalid^OS (talk) 13:44, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Against merging the article Cone snail into the article Conidae is stupid. I read that scientists are planning to break up the cone shells into more then one family.Catfurball (talk) 19:33, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to merge cone snail into Conidae

I would like to "repropose" a request to merge the two together, they are on the same subject cone snail is the common name for Conidae as of this moment the request was previously closed against it based on the idea that Conidae was broken up into multiple families. These families were moved out yes, but none of the genera moved out were commonly called cone snails. The genera and species moved into Mangellidae mostly have no common names, and the few that do are turrids, same with Conorbidae. The proposal to merge over at Talk:Cone snail closed as not merged due to the fact that the articles had a different focus (despite the fact that a merge would have combined both articles so the "focus" argument is flawed. This is also despite the fact that the discussion was stronger in favour of merge than not, with the user who came up with the focus argument neutral to the merge. Lavalizard101 (talk) 17:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As the person who proposed the merger last time, I think it's strange that the discussion was closed as not merge, given that most of the comments were either in favor of a merger or at least open to one, but I didn't really have the time to get around to reopening the discussion. My preference would still be in favor of merging Conidae into Cone snail rather than vice versa (it is common practice for families with widely known, taxonomically well-defined common names to be at the common name and not the taxon name, e.g. Ant instead of Formicidae, Heron instead of Ardeidae, or Scallop instead of Pectinidae), but either way I think the two should be merged as they refer to the same group of animals. It doesn't make sense to have a page on cone snails that omits discussion of their taxonomy or a page on Conidae that omits discussion of the biology of members of the family, so the "different scopes" argument is not a reason to keep the pages separate, but I do agree that a Taxonomy of Conidae page could be warranted that goes into more detail than covered on the main Cone snail/Conidae page. Ornithopsis (talk) 18:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree a merge would make sense, and I second it being into the common name, with the proviso that anyone making the merge either way do it properly and not just dump unique content contained in the 'merged from' page, as was done in the recent bold redirect. Captainllama (talk) 16:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added merge proposal notices in the hopes that more people see this discussion. I put them up as saying the proposal was to merge Cone snail into Conidae because that's how the current proposal began, but I maintain my previously stated preference to merge into Cone snail rather than the other way around. Ornithopsis (talk) 12:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=14107 Classification: Traditionally, all cone shells have been included in the Linnean genus Conus. Tucker & Tenorio (2009) have recently proposed an alternative shell- and radula-based classification that recognizes 4 families and 80 genera of cones. In WoRMS, we currently still recognize a single family Conidae (following Puillandre et al. 2011), but Tucker & Tenorio's 80 genera classification is presented as "alternative representation". [P. Bouchet, 14 Aug. 2011]

[Systematic-2] Cite error: The named reference Systematic was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

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[5] N. Puillandre, E. Strong, P. Bouchet, M. Boisselier, V. Couloux, & S. Samadi (2009), "Identifying gastropod spawn from DNA barcodes: possible but not yet practicable", Molecular Ecology Resources 9:1311-1321.

[6] Tucker J.K. & Tenorio M.J. (2009), Systematic Classification of Recent and Fossil Conoidean Gastropods, ConchBooks, Hankenheim, Germany, 295 pp.

[7] P.K. Bandyopadhyay, B.J. Stevenson, J.P. Ownby, M.T. Cady, M. Watkins, & B. Olivera (2008), The mitochondrial genome of Conus textile, coxI-conII intergenic sequences and conoidean evolution. Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 46: 215-223.

[8] S.T. Williams & T.F. Duda, Jr. (2008), Did tectonic activity stimulate Oligo-Miocene speciation in the Indo-West Pacific? Evolution 62:1618-1634.

[9] R.L. Cunha, R. Castilho, L. Ruber, & R. Zardoya (2005), Patterns of cladogenesis in the venomous marine gastropod genus Conus from the Cape Verde Islands Systematic Biology 54(4):634-650.

[10] T.F. Duda, Jr. & A.J. Kohn (2005), Species-level phylogeography and evolutionary history of the hyperdiverse marine gastropod genus Conus, Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 34:257-272.

[11] T.F. Duda, Jr. & E. Rolan (2005), Explosive radiation of Cape Verde Conus, a marine species flock, Molecular Ecology 14:267-272.

[12] B. Vallejo, Jr. (2005), Inferring the mode of speciation in the Indo-West Pacific Conus (Gastropoda: Conidae), Journal of Biogeography 32:1429-1439.

[13] Biggs, J. S., Watkins, M. Showers Corneli, P. and Olivera, B. M. (2010). Defining a clade by morphological, molecular, and toxinological criteria: distinctive forms related to Conus praecellens A. Adams, 1854 (Gastropoda: Conidae). Nautilus 124:1-19 (naming new species and moving species from Kurodaconus to Turriconus).

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