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A fact from Chrigel Maurer appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 September 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Christian "Chrigel" Maurer (pictured), eight-time winner of the X-Alps "hike-and-fly" paragliding endurance race, and his future wife Karin both won gold medals at the same World Cup event?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Christian "Chrigel" Maurer.

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 14:54, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Chrigel Maurer

... that Christian "Chrigel" Maurer, eight-time winner of the X-Alps "hike-and-fly" paragliding endurance race, met his future wife Karin when they both won World Cup gold medals? Source: Google Translate excerpt from source article: "Double gold for Wilderswil paragliding dream couple Christian Maurer and Karin Appenzeller won the World Cup in La Réunion"

Also, caption in linked article: "Karin Appenzeller and Chrigel Maurer compete with the sun of Réunion." (Google translation from German, showing they definitely met during that final WC competition)

- ALT1: ... that Christian "Chrigel" Maurer, eight-time winner of the X-Alps "hike-and-fly" paragliding endurance race, and his future wife Karin both won gold medals at the same World Cup event?

- Reviewed: Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Mishal_Al-Ahmad_Al-Jaber_Al-Sabah

Created by Crum375 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:34, 19 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Christian "Chrigel" Maurer; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Y Article is new enough (created 19 June and nominated the same day), long enough (2,022 characters), and article is within policy
? Crum375 Which source explicitly says that they met at the Paragliding World Cup? The source listed describes them as "The golden paragliding dream couple", but as far as I can see, doesn't say how they met
Y Image is freely licenced (it's a derivative work of something that has correct free licence), in the article, is relevant, and looks good at low resolution
Y QPQ done
Overall, the article is fine for DYK, but question on sourcing for the hook needs resolving before I can approve this. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:41, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Joseph2302: The hook simply says they "met" when they both won their Gold Cups at that contest (in Reunion Island). It does not say it was their first ever meeting. Being called a "couple" at that point, they very likely met before at previous contests and other places. All we know, based on reliable sources, is that they met at that final contest (where the Gold Cup was awarded for the highest scores of the season, for men and women, and they each won the gold for their category). So you could say that it's a bit misleading, since some hook readers may assume it was their first ever meeting, but the hook is still factually correct, as anyone reading the sources (there are two articles) will realize they were both at the same contest and they both won their gold cups, and a few months later they got married. If you can suggest a tweak for the hook and/or a different quote from the source, let me know, but I think it's correct (albeit a bit sneaky, but I think within DYK tolerance). Thanks, Crum375 (talk) 18:53, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Joseph2302: I've added the caption text from this link under the hook above, and also added it as another source in the article. The photo clearly shows they met during that contest. Thanks, Crum375 (talk) 17:12, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Crum375 Thank you for clarifying- my German isn't great, so thank you for helping resolve this enquiry. As the hook is well sourced, everything looks fine now. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:34, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph2302 No problem, it's good to have some more backing for the hook. Much appreciated! Crum375 (talk) 10:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Was going to promote this, @Joseph2302 and Crum375:, but I do feel that the word "met" definitely implies the usage of "make the acquaintance of (someone) for the first time". Is there any way you can rephrase this to avoid this confusion? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:33, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer the original hook, @AirshipJungleman29:, since a) it's a lot hookier, and b) it's absolutely factually correct. "Met" is just that, and "first time ever" might be a possible assumption by some readers, but is not stated in the hook or the article. So I think for DYK purposes it's acceptable, but I have added ALT1 in case the promoter strongly disagrees. Thanks, Crum375 (talk) 18:58, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New reviewer needed for ALT1. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:35, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I'd recommend moving the second comma in ALT1 from "Karin" to "race", as the current positioning is grammatically confusing; the hook is good to go otherwise. Philroc (talk) 04:11, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Philroc: Thanks for the review. I've moved the comma in ALT1 per your suggestion. Thanks, Crum375 (talk) 18:27, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good to go. Philroc (talk) 19:02, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Shouldn't the word "both" be changed to "each" in both hooks? "Both" could mean that they entered a doubles event as a pair. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:13, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cielquiparle: Thank you for your comment. I agree with you that "both" may be a bit vague, but we do use plural "medals", implying that each of them individually got one. If the reader is curious about the details, the linked article says, "... where they both competed and won gold medals in their respective categories." I suppose we could say that here too, but I personally like hooks that are extra short, hence hookier. Crum375 (talk) 12:56, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 June 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Chrigel Maurer. (non-admin closure) {{replyto|SilverLocust}} (talk) 09:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Christian "Chrigel" Maurer → ? – Having "" in the name is not standard. If Chrigel is his WP:COMMONNAME, then article should be at Chrigel Maurer, else it should probably be at Christian Maurer, or maybe one of his nicknames if those are the common name. This seems similar to how we moved Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards to Eddie the Eagle a few years ago. The current name is not encyclopedic, but I don't have enough subject knowledge to work out the proper common name. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:44, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that both Chrigel Maurer and Christian Maurer are commonly used to refer to him. Apparently Chrigel is a common form of "Christian" in the region where he grew up. His own web page calls him Chrigel Maurer, so I would be fine with moving to that name. Crum375 (talk) 09:01, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, typing "chrigel vs christian maurer" into Google gives a lot of insight into the issue. Crum375 (talk) 09:10, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Joseph2302: Having reviewed WP policies and guidelines, I see that Babe Ruth is a good example. That case is somewhat similar, and based on it we should use the name Chrigel Maurer, with the opening text being (as now, no change):

Christian "Chrigel" Maurer (born 1982), also known as...

So I can move the page to that name as soon as we close this discussion. Thanks, Crum375 (talk) 09:58, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Chrigel Maurer. Appears to be his common name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:43, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.