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Quality control

This article's a bit of a mess... Over half the recent edits are vandalism, and there's more coverage of side topics than there is of what Chinese cuisine actually is or consists of. There are clearly editors out there who know this stuff, because the articles on the specific regional cuisines and so on are of a much higher level of quality. It's just a shame that the main article, which casual users will most likely see most often, is in such a state of disrepair. So if any of you subject matter experts are reading this, please consider watching this article and/or fleshing it out a bit. Thanks. Difference engine (talk) 00:38, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

One thing I find it curious is, why is the History of Chinese cuisine placed into a completely separate wiki page? All of the other major national cuisines have their histories placed on the same page as the main article?? Is somebody out there hell-bent on intentional sabotage of its reputation and image? 220.236.205.55 (talk) 23:56, 17 March 2010

"Deep Fried Wikipedia"

This trend deserves to be reported on, preferably with photos, in the main article. Various foods being identified (obviously through a serious mistranslation) as "Wikipedia" have been appearing on restaurant menus all over China. They've been seen firsthand, and there's no Photoshopping involved. One such occurrence was even pointed out by Wikimedia executive Jimmy Wales, who went as far as ordering Wikipedia with peppers, and claims that it is "delicious"! Check out these posts: http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/005189.html, http://ourfounder.typepad.com/leblog/2007/10/jimmy-wales-gro.html.

I really think this is too strange and funny not to be mentioned! However, if it’s determined not to be appropriate for this article, then it should at least have a place in articles addressing Wikipedia (terminology), machine translation, Chinglish and/or edible mushrooms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.244.87 (talk) 02:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup

Many items in the Typical Dish section are actually duplicates (i.e. Guotie is Jiaozi, same stuff with different cooking method, as stated inside the Jiaozi article)Lightblade 04:34, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Guotie and Jiaozi can have different fillings and methods of making, not just different cooking methods. Guotie tends to have a more meat-based filling. Also, Guotie can have its ends open while crafting the dumplings, whereas in Jiaozi, the dumplings must be sealed tight. (68.4.67.101 06:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC))

Also is Kung Pao Chicken a typical Chinese dish? -- 66.171.76.139 05:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I have a question: What is wikipedia's policy in using traditional/simplified chinese characters? The officially accepted form in PRC is simplified chinese. (137.164.79.11 19:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC))

title

Given the inclusion of Chinese American and of Taiwanese cuisine, cuisine of China is no longer the accurate name for this article. Moving it to "Chinese cuisine" would be an easy fix.--Amerinese 16:21, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I don't think that this should follow the naming scheme of Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries because cuisines are not about countries so much as they are about peoples and traditions. An illustration could be that, an Italian-American that was never in Italy can use Italian cuisine in the United States and anyone would say that his/her cuisine was Italian cuisine. I doubt that many speakers would use the term "cuisine of Italy" in that situation.
Let's have this conversation at a generic location like Talk:Cuisine. --Joy [shallot] 21:19, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Chinese herbs

Is there any article on chinese medicinal herbs, such as those used as ingredients for making soup? It is weakly mentioned in Herbology, but I think a series of english articles on herbs such as luo han guo and dang gui will be of significant interest. -- Vsion 06:40, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

soup?

Do chinese diners really eat soup with the little flat spoons? I always understood the spoons to be an adaptation for american restaurants. I could be wrong, but I always thought that traditional way was to drink soup sort of like a warm beverage, and then eat the noodles inside or whatever else with chopsticks. I could be wrong, but the single source for this article isn't public domain. I'm not saying that the little flat spoons should leave the article, only that it shouldn't be phrased, "that's how chinese soups are consumed. end of discussion." It would be like saying (if I'm right) that chinese cuisine fries its rice with vegetables. Yes, in the west and probably some other places, they do that, but the traditional steamed white rice (and congee!) deserves the bulk of the discussion.

Chinese are smarter than you:(, they just raise the whole bowl to eat soup. The bowl is the also a spoon in this case.
Wrong, raise the bowl is extremely impolite, especially in formal dinners. Those flat-bottomed spoons are very common in China. It's especially used for soup. (See the Chinese version if you can read Chinese) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.75.181 (talk) 04:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Image add. info

What's this vegetarian duck all about?! --193.77.225.32 20:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

71.56.70.127 06:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

It's tofu cooked with certain spices to give it a "ducky" flavor. There are also such vegetarian chicken, vegetarian beef, etc. okay you think you know everything you freakin awesome person —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.152.16.254 (talk) 17:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

菜

Do people ever call meat dishes 菜 (cài)? I've only heard vegetables refered to as cài.

I think so. Chinese also say (ci fan), which literally means eating rice but actually means having dinner.

let me explain that clearly: literally, 菜 (cai) means vegetables, 肉 (rou) means meats, 饭 (fan) means rice. When chinese want to express the meaning of "course/dish", they always and only use the word 菜 (cai), in this context, 菜 (cai) means the "course(s)/dish(es)", either if the course is made of vagetables, meats, or conbition of vagetables and meats. And when chinese people want to express the meaning of "having breakfast/lunch/dinner", they always and only use the word 吃饭 (chi fan), literally it meas having (chi) rice (fan). However in the context when people say 吃饭 chi fan, the picture in their mind is not just rice, but the whole dishes. "having breakfast" in Chinese is 吃早饭 (chi zao fan), literally having (chi) early (zao) rice (fan). Of course, "having lunch" is 吃中饭 (chi zhong fan, having middle rice), and "having dinner" is 吃晚饭 (chi wan fan, having late rice). --ARMOR

Lunch is: 吃午饭 no one says 吃中饭. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.67.101 (talk) 21:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

吃中饭 is OK, though not preferred in Standard Mandarin. 尖尖的鹿角 (talk) 14:07, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Deletion vote

A new article on a liqueur made from Chinese tea is up for deletion. Please vote here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Qi (spirit). Thank you, Badagnani 07:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Buddhists?

The article states that most Chinese vegetarians are buddhists. Actually, all Chinese are officially athiest as the state does not allow any religion.Davez621 13:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

So are all the millions of Buddhists, Christians, Muslims etc in China athiest? LDHan 16:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
In reality, no, but unless you can find a way of asking all 1 billion of them personally, then you have to go by the information provided by the state, which says that all Chinese are officially athiest.Davez621 14:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Wrong, there are more religious people than what your media told you. In fact, more than half of the people identify themself with one or more religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.75.181 (talk) 04:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

"Chinese are officially athiest as the state does not allow any religion." If the Chinese state doesn't allow any religions, why the hell are they spending money to build state regulated Roman Catholic churches? Intranetusa (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:18, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Eating raw vegetable

For much of China's history, human manure has been used as fertilizer due to the large human population and the relative scarcity of farm animals in China. For this reason, raw food (especially raw vegetables such as salad) has not been part of the traditional Chinese diet.

Anyone have a source for this? There is a lack of salads in Chinese cuisine but I've never heard it being explained like this before--though I've never heard an explanation for it either.

The explanation doesn't make sense anyway, is there any difference between human and animal manure, is one cleaner than the other? LDHan 00:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, human manure is far more dangerous to humans, because it contains microbes and parasites that thrive in humans. Colin McLarty (talk) 16:00, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I've removed "For this reason" and changed it to:

For much of China's history, human manure has been used as fertilizer due to the large human population and the relative scarcity of farm animals in China. Raw food (especially raw vegetables such as salad) has not been part of the traditional Chinese diet.

LDHan 22:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually there are practises of eating raw vegetables, eg. raw cucumber mixed with vinegar (凉拌青瓜) so I deleted the sentence.--antilived T | C 06:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
It is more due to Chinese medicine. Traditionally, if you eat raw vegetables, it is believed it is deemed too cold for the body and will damage your spleen. Traditionally, the only vegetables and fruits deemed suitable for raw consumption is cucumber and some fruits. It is said if you eat too much uncooked vegetables, your body will be weakened by the "coolness" and your stool will become watery. --JNZ 05:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

It looks like somebody was screwing around with this page earlier (take a look at the page history). I thought I'd mention it - 205.233.121.29 22:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Healthy or unhealthy

Center for Science in the Public Interest released a report said Chinese food not healthy. But the funny thing is the most unhealthy dishes like sweet-sour chicken, etc. are Americanized Chinese food, they are all developed to meet American's taste. You never see those dishes in China. Plus, Chinese cooking art got ten times different styles than any other country's cuisine. It is a cooking world, if Center for Science in the Public Interest want to test them all, maybe need several years. So they really should say it is not healthy of Americanized Chinese food. It is time that the restaurants should adjust their menu to meet the uprising healthy trend, and bring the real Chinese food to America. I have family made Chinese food all my life, and my weight never have changed more than 10 pounds, always fit. Center for Science in the Public Interest only tested the togo food, I guess.--Yeahsoo 06:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Please explain how dishes of soy sauce and rice mean "Chinese cooking art got ten times different styles than any other country's cuisin"? Idiot.

The fact that you think Chinese cooking only revolves around soy sauce and rice is an indication of your ignorance and lack of insight, not a shortcoming of us who grew up with it, or who are in the know. Too lazy to find out the difference for yourself? Go back to the American South and gorge on your hush puppies and gumbo with the cowboys. 211.31.103.64 (talk) 03:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think people in the American south eat hush puppies unlike the baby-killing dog eating chopstick skinnies like you in the communist east. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.123.54 (talk) 13:07, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with yeahsoo. Due to the diversity of Chinese food, you can't judge chinese food as a whole. Some regions prefer frying, some regions prefer steaming, some regions prefers a lot of salt and some doesn't like it at all. You just can't tell. However if what they tested for is American Chinese food, or picked some dodgy restaurant, then yes that is often high salt and fat. But that not real chinese food.114.76.46.139 (talk) 12:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The Center for Science in the Public Interest should not be trusted as an unbias and valid source of information. They're alarmists that regularly declare all manner of restaurants as "unhealthy", most recently threatening litigation against McDonald's unless the fast-food franchise stops using toys to market its “Happy Meals” to children. The CSPI have a definite agenda and can arguably be claimed to be political as well, as several sources identify them with progressive, left wing causes. Voudeauxchild (talk) 08:23, 26 July 2010 (UTC) Voudeauxchild

"Authentic" Chinese food

The other day I saw some guy (who was a white American) complaining about how the food in most American Chinese restaurants is not "authentic". His idea of authentic was all this expensive crap personally cooked by a chef. I doubt the average man in China has access to that.

Maybe not, but I'm pretty sure that he doesn't eat the stuff that's served in most "Chinese" restaurants in the US (or Europe) either. PeteVerdon 16:53, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I think that what that guy was complaining about was American Chinese cuisine which is a modified version of chinese cuisine--Matt D (talk) 15:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

actually they do, the average man in china doesn't eat bad food —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.255.183.193 (talk) 23:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Cuisine Template to Horizontal format

If there are no complaints, I would like to convert the Chinese cuisine template to a horizontal format. The current format is longer than 95% of the cuisine articles. When started, the list wasn't quite this long. Any objections? Benjwong 00:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments anyone? Benjwong 15:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok this template will be converted. Benjwong 17:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, I posted an external link to a site that I run whose main focus is to introduce contemporary chinese food to an English speaking audience. I understand that posting my own link is a potential COI, so I will fully submit myself to the judgement of the community here and ask that if the community sees fit, to post the link in external links.

The site is called chinabites (chinabites.com) and has introductions to about 100 different individual chinese dishes and also chinese restaurants.

My own review of the other sites in the external links would seem to suggest that this link is squarely in a class with the other links there. Obviously I believe my own site has topic-relevant archival content, but I will not attempt to repost it, if the community sees fit to put it up there, I'll be thrilled, otherwise I won't interfere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.78.102.240 (talk) 13:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Move proposal

See Talk:Ume#Requested move. Badagnani (talk) 04:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Mushroom != vegetable

Just a biological comment: mushroom is not a vegetable. But, pardon my french, may it be condidered a vegetable according to gastronomy's parlance? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.61.201.169 (talk) 05:19, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Hard to say what it's condidered in french. Can't comment more now - have to run off after my spell checker.
"Vegetable" is not a biologial term, it's a culinary term. --RLent (talk) 16:40, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion discussion

See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_April_12#Seasonal_cuisine. Badagnani (talk) 22:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC) x

Re: Vegetarianism

"Chinese vegetarian dishes often contain large varieties of vegetables"

We need a better way to phrase this. As is it sounds downright stupid.

Add characters

Add characters for all remaining words. e.g., "basi"=? kopi tiam: also give mandarin & chars... cow tounge char: unicode problem... tone numbers: use unicode accents.

Undernourished

How does undernourishment correlate to healthiness? Undernourishment = poverty IMO. --Asegew (talk) 02:02, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I am about to hit this article hard with links. It is a real portal article, and as such, is a good stepping-off points to all sorts of articles. If there are any objections, please say so now, instead of reverting. I encourage others to help out. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

How is this not POV?

Under the section contemporary health trends, there two paragraphs that link the supposed decline and health hazards of Chinese foods to the popularity of US foods.

''''"Health advocates put some of the blame on the increased popularity of US foods, especially fast food, and other culinary products and habits. Many United States of America fast food chains have appeared in China, and are highly successful economically. These include McDonald's, Pizza Hut, and Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC).

An extensive epidemiological study called the China Project is being conducted to observe the relationship of disease patterns to diet, particularly the move from the traditional Chinese diet to one which incorporates more rich US-style foods."''''

So a couple of questions here for the paranoid anti-American freak and their lackey supporters who posted this paragraph up: 1) So where's the evidence that US-style foods causes an increase in disease patterns of diet or that health advocates "put some of the blame on the increased popularity of US foods"? 2) Why not focus on other causes that may contribute to the increase health hazard of Chinese food. Say the environmental pollution? 3) Why the United States is the focus of an article that is supposed to be talking about Chinese cuisine is just awkward and beyond me. 4) So don't get offended the next time American scientists find a connection that links Chinese foods and products with an increase in say cancer cells. Caprice?

Chinese eating etiquette

WhisperToMe (talk) 20:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Rice in wheat farming areas

A sentence in the rice section reads "...In wheat farming areas in Northern China, people largely rely on flour based foods such as noodles, breads, dumplings and steamed buns..." That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and I can't access the ref. Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:22, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I also noticed the rice section is poorly labeled - only two sentences are on rice. (Someone change it)--67.87.36.128 (talk) 02:12, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

the statement correctly describes the habit in the northern china where rice is lesser consumed than the southern china. --120.84.16.126 (talk) 08:32, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Hamburgers

Who wrote this crap? I'm removing that section unless someone can actually direct evidence to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.121.59.161 (talk) 18:13, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

You are tampering with known history my friend, don't do it again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.101.218.193 (talk) 03:23, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

About seasonings

Just to note, fermented tofu is not a seasoning. You don't and should never cook with it. Instead, it is more of a side or garnish like black soy sauce, peanut butter, or mustard. Just a heads up but I can't find a section for sides or garnish to edit it out.

That's not true. Water spinach (蕹菜) is commonly cooked with it, and that's just what comes to mind. -- Sjschen (talk) 19:22, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, fermented tofu is certainly used to cook with. (and for what its worth so are peanut butter and mustard)--Calabashhh (talk) 22:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from 82.69.73.130, 18 May 2011

I know A LOT ABOUT IT IT IS SHIT FOOD

82.69.73.130 (talk) 16:51, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Note: Nonconstructive suggestions will not be acknowledged. Kinaro(talk) (contribs) 03:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

A few suggestions for improvement to the article

  • The missing sections should be filled in.
  • The concept of food as medicine in the Orient leads to the inclusion of some medicinal herbs and vegetables in the cuisine. These foods should be included, and the herbal section expanded to explain how herbs are used.
  • The concept of balance in food should be expanded to describe the elements of a 'perfect' meal and how this is achieved with limited resources.
  • Vegetarian cuisine should be described, particularly as it relates to religious 'fast' days and mock meats/seafood prepared for the imperial court.
  • The difference between the food of the imperial court, and that of the common people, should be explained, and if the imperial dishes have become more available in the 20th century.
  • Links should be added to detailed subtopics, such as Category:Chinese condiments.

Sofia Roberts (talk) 20:09, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I think this article needs to be completely restructured according to the (1)historical changes as well as the (2)regional characteristics of Chinese cuisine or cuisines. Since the topic is so broad and overwhelming, I propose that we start the article based on these two topics and let them become the "backbone" of the article with everything else branching from it. Perhaps that can help to organize the logical flow of the article and get it started to a good article status. -- Sjschen (talk) 19:53, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

The article states: "Shandong Cuisine, commonly and simply known as Lu cuisine, can be said to be the best of the Eight Regional Cuisines of China." That's just an opinion that can be attatched to any style of cooking. Also, there are no references to support that opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.250.135.51 (talk) 16:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Medicine Cuisine and Story and legend about Chinese cuisine sections

I don't even know where to start. Suggestions? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:09, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're meaning, so I wouldn't know what to suggest. I've just tagged it, and might remove it later. It makes some strong claims, and it isn't necessarily about "Chinese cuisine" at times. Latter seems really not notable and to be honest it's rather dubious-looking info (maybe just plainly WP:MADEUP). --Cold Season (talk) 22:57, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I think you completely understand what I mean. :) What you wrote just now, is exactly what I am thinking. I wouldn't say it's made up, though. It's unsourced fact about fiction, if you know what I mean. So sure, let's wait a while, and then remove it. Thanks for the input. Best wishes, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:51, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Jews?

Is this really appropriate for an article about Chinese cuisine? Lots of people eat Chinese food. Some of them are Jewish. It seems off-topic and America-centric to include a large section about Jews eating Chinese food. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.89.16.205 (talk) 20:53, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I think the material is noteworthy, very well sourced, and adds to the overall article. If you think it adversely affects the overall balance of the article, you could propose spinning it off into its own separate article, and see what other editors think. The well-researched material definitely should not be deleted and lost. I am not Jewish, but found the insights interesting anyway. Reify-tech (talk) 07:24, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Sections on cooking implements, dining etiquette?

Links to articles on food preparation, woks, knives, etc., and dining etiquette would be a useful addition. OttawaAC (talk) 21:07, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

A good idea, WP:SODOIT if you can. There's a lot of material that could be added to this article, but it's up to contributors to do it. Reify-tech (talk) 07:31, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Chinese cuisine/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

No refs. --Ideogram 12:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 12:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 14:30, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Unhelpful bibliography

This page had a lovely bibliographical list that was completely unused by the actual references. Such a list is actually a disservice to the encyclopedia, since it makes the article look well-referenced when really it's anything but. The list is commented out here:

History:
Cookbooks:
and works can be reincluded with inline citations (including page numbers) as they are actually used in the article. — LlywelynII 22:17, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

On the other hand

I agree with your basic thought, i.e., that this article needs more work. But I did not have time to do it myself, so I added the list of references in the hope that they might shame some poor wandering editor into using them, and at least provide the poor wandering reader a decent list of things to read until the aforesaid poor wandering editor got his or her posterior into gear.

Moreover, in addition to having slobbering sentimentality on my side, I also had actual guidelines.

According to WP:FURTHER and WIKIPEDIA:Further Reading:

An optional bulleted list, usually alphabetized, of a reasonable number of editor-recommended publications that would help interested readers learn more about the article subject. Editors may include brief annotations. Publications listed in Further reading are cited in the same citation style used by the rest of the article. The Further reading section should not duplicate the content of the External links section, and should normally not duplicate the content of the References section, unless the References section is too long for a reader to use as part of a general reading list. This section is not intended as a repository for general references that were used to create the article content.

So unless you want to do the thorough revision of the article which we both want, one which would use these references in the writing and inline citations, we should restore the Further Readings.

And yes, I forgive you in advance for -- doubtless in the heat of the moment -- calling the list "unhelpful." Your intentions were doubtless good.

Cheers in any case. ch (talk) 02:47, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Sichuanese peppers come from Mexico?

The article asserts that Sichuanese food is hot because of Mexican chili peppers...is there a citation for this? Historian932 (talk) 13:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, good question, but to be clear, it's the Chili pepper, not the Sichuan pepper. The Chili pepper capsicum, is one of the many New World crops that the Columbian Exchange loosed upon the world. It's always a surprise to find that things we now take for granted as part of a culture were not there forever. Some of the other surprises were that the tomato, corn (maize), and avacado were also Mexican in origin.
Sichuan food, like Hunan, was spicy before the chili pepper, and probably adopted the chili pepper quickly because of this preference, but the chili pepper is now the big heat. ch (talk) 21:19, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

This article is a joke.

It doesnt even make a single mention of Hebei/Northern China cuisine as well as Northeastern cuisine. Beijing duck? grilled lamb with cumin seeds??? multitudes of noodle making techniques? Nothing is mentioned.

The top page picture is a joke, fried rice is garbage food and only southeast chinese make it traditionally. its like putting doritos chips as the representative picture for american cuisine.

this article sucks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rzz41 (talk • contribs) 10:14, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

You can always fix it, but no need to take it out on fried rice. In fact, I think "garbage food" by which I think you mean food traditionally made by peasant households out of leftovers, is probably the most representative thing you can have for the cuisine. Sort of like sandwiches or hash for American cuisine.--Tznkai (talk) 04:22, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
What!? You mean Doritos ISN'T representative of American cuisine? Okay fine, you're right, that honour goes to Cheez Whiz. ;) In all seriousness, I agree that the current state of the article is dismal both in its content quality and its organization (or lack thereof). Having thought a bit about how to redo it, I believe the right way of tackling this large task is to first, do a sub-articling for as much of the present content (the size of the "Regional cuisines" sub section is alone enough for the creation of a new article) as possible, then second, to reorganization the article such that the section represents an important feature/aspect of the cuisine. Perhaps we should use the structure of the French language version as template for the reorganization since their article is already well organized in a way that giving the reader a quick understanding of: "What is Chinese cuisine?" I plan to make the change over the next few weeks. If anyone is interested in helping or has any objections, please chime in. -- Sjschen (talk) 17:35, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

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Chinese Food

Chinese food can be found in many household products. For example Pepsi Cola contains Chinese food. Oscar Meyer hot dog weiners contain Chinese food. On the other hand, Krupuk is Indonesian and does not contain Chinese food. Wild turkey does not contain Chinese food. Taco Bell in Veracruz may contain Chinese food. The State of California is known to contain Chinese food. The White House garden contains Chinese food. On the other hand, empanadas do not contain Chinese food. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.114.70.43 (talk) 17:19, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

What the hell are you talking about? The ingredients? --2.245.101.41 (talk) 14:09, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

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Stupid PETA Plug

There is no reason to include a plug for PETA; if we were going to be consistent every article concerning cuisine will require this critique from (mostly European in ancestry) activists tsk-tsk'ing cultures that aren't "woke" enough to not be vegan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.202.137.24 (talk) 11:36, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

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Reliable Sources?

Are these reliable? Kuroko19148 (talk) 03:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Add Food controversies

There should be a sub-category for "Food controversies" such as the treatment of dogs and cats prior to consumption, cooking and eating live food in China. There is a huge, growing appetite for food and exotic ingredients, environmental concerns etc. -Artanisen (talk) 19:44, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

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Need article about steamed rice

There seems to be no article on steamed rice. Badagnani 06:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC

Missing some important information

It seems to be that Chinese Festival food is missing here, Can someone add to it?

Sources for future article expansion

  • Brown, Tristan G. (5 March 2015), "Feasts of the Sacrifice: Ritual Slaughter in Late Imperial and 20th-Century China", All about China, Washington: Middle East Institute.

This is a fascinating account of how Eid al-Adha rituals led to Muslims/Hui becoming the usual butchers in western China not only for the imperial elite but also for mandatory state sacrifices to the Chinese gods (considered to be meat-eaters if not carnivores) and suspect Commies during the paranoid Nationalist era (since killing cattle could only be a plot to reduce agricultural output and undermine the state). It should probably be introduced here, as well as at religion in China, Hui cuisine, and similar pages. — LlywelynII 00:17, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

"Historically, many Chinese chefs tried not to use milk, because of the high rate of lactose intolerance among the Chinese population". There seems to be currently no links supporting that causal relationship.

https://www.foodpolitics.com/2019/04/whats-up-with-cheese-in-china/

The link above supports the claim, while it seems that there are few official sources regarding the causal relationship between few milk in traditional Chinese cuisine and high rate of lactose intolerance in China. Shenghan0329 (talk) 01:02, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

The claim is not just hard to prove, but likely an instance of reverse causality. The predominant academic view is that lactase persistence (LP) has been selected in a subset of human societies (e.g. Northern Europe) because of the historical availability of milk (in turn, because of the domestication of cattle). One exception to this principle is that Central Asian nomads have readily accessible milk but generally do not have LP; instead they consume only fermented milk with reduced lactose (source: [1]), this can explained as a form of technological adaptation (fermentation) outpacing evolutionary adaptation (LP). The most likely reason that Han Chinese never developed either LP or fermented milk is that in recent evolutionary history, cow milk is simply unavailable in the interior plains of China where Han Chinese evolved because the agricultural conditions favor intensive farming over cattle-raising. The sale price of milk in China (imported) is still nearly four times the price of that in India today (source: [2]). When something is rare or expensive, it's not a surprise that it doesn't appear in popular cuisine. Ceconhistorian (talk) 19:51, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
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