Talk:China at the 2008 Summer Olympics/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Potential

Of all the nations participating in this year's Games, China is poised to make the biggest splash. This country certainly has branched out from its "specialties" in Table Tennis and Diving to become a contender in many of the Olympic events this year. Given "home court" advantage they look to take away the medal count lead from the United States. I look forward to seeing how this article developes as the Games progress. H1nkles (talk) 23:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Name of article

Shouldn't the name of this article be People's Republic of China at the 2008 Summer Olympics? -- K. Annoyomous 24 _{GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks.} 07:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

That's because it's the decision of the olympic community to allow the Chinese mainland to participate as China. This has been the case at the Summer Olympics since 1984. The Observant (talk) 15:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Daily medal list

I think I am against the idea of setting up a daily list for number of medals. There would be small long term notability for knowing which day medals are won after years. And also other countries do not have such a list on their pages. – PeterCX&Talk 15:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Strongly agree. Per Wikipedia:Recentism, this information does not add to the long-term historical perspective of this encyclopedia. Also, we have no consensus for this format in WP:WikiProject Olympics, and none of the other ~3200 articles of this type contain this type of table. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 20:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Disagree. The US page has a daily count as well. This info is very useful and helpful in determining the specific day an individual won a medal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.139.57 (talk) 19:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

That was added because of the addition here, and please tell me how you can possibly "determine the specific day an individual won a medal" by looking at the numbers? There is no linkage. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

There is a direct linkage with the lists of medalists. Since the medalist are arranged chronologically one can simply refer to the daily medal haul and infer what day each medal was won. I think it adds valuable information in the long run. 70.24.143.172 (talk) 14:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Medal count

How is fixing the table's sums an issue? I'm not adding new medals, just fixing your sums. Adam McCormick (talk) 05:35, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

So I've readded the totals, The "Wins" shouldn't be posted without updating totals anyway. Adam McCormick (talk) 05:44, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Media coverage

Just a quick note, you can tell whether a CCTV channel broadcasts the Olympics or not by where the logo is - if it is in the top right hand corner, it does, if it is in the top left hand corner, it doesn't. By default, CCTV channels have their logo in the top-left, however Olympic broadcasts place the score in the top-left corner, so broadcast channels thus temporarily have to change sides. After the Olympics, all channels are to revert to their original state. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs 01:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

ROC and Hong Kong

If China on Wikipedia links to the wider Chinese region, including these areas, then shouldn't there be a hatnote at the top i.e.

This hatnote has similarities to that of the one at the top of the China article. I realize that the PRC retains the China name in Olympic competition, and that the naming of this article is no doubt correct, but there is an ambiguity, and both the PRC and ROC claim legitimacy of the name. If it's the Wikipedia policy to acknowledge that ambiguity and remain neutral (by linking China to an article on the wider area), then this page should reflect that. I don't if anyone objects, but this hasn't been done before, so I'm trying to justify it. Yohan euan o4 (talk) 14:12, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of what the ROC claims, who will go looking for Taiwan's participation on the China page? It is enough to make sure that "Taiwan at the 2008 Summer Olympics" redirects to "Chinese Taipei at the 2008 Summer Olympics" because people looking for information will be looking under the well-known name "Taiwan", not the name "China" which is only used in narrow diplomatic circles. Readin (talk) 19:31, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Project 119

Project 119 should be a separate article. There is no information on it in this article so it shouldn't redirect here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwenger (talk • contribs) 23:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you ask User:Neil who made the redirect for his rationale? ---53.12sec (talk) 23:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree, I am searching for the project 119 and this article doesn't have a word about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.254.70.243 (talk) 00:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Weightlifting

Why did China win 8 goldmedails in weightlifting and USA did not win any goldmedail ? Germany won also only one medail with Matthias Steiner. Is therefore a reason ? 212.95.118.14 (talk) 00:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the reason is that China is better at weightlifting than the other two of course. It's the same reason that USA won 31 total medals in swimming while China only won 6. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.65.35.46 (talk) 20:25, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

What the f***?

Why isn't there a corruption section? China is cheating in the Olympics. They need to be taken care of! Right now! How come there isn't a section on those kids who are like 11 and participating in the Gymnastics section. Why isn't there a section on those Judges who marked their scores outside of the allowed margin. I believe China paid some judges!! --70.121.33.78 (talk) 08:14, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Please check out Concerns over the 2008 Summer Olympics corruption cases does not belong here and please don't use the F-word in wikipedia. — ■~∀SÐFﾑｻ~■ =] ^{Babashi? antenna?} 08:26, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it should be added to Concerns over the 2008 Summer Olympics. This is a legitimate issue for Wikipedia because there has been significant media coverage of the age discrepancies and unusual judging for female gymnastics. Cwenger (talk) 00:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you back these allegations? With solid evidence? -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs 04:11, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

aww we have a sore loser here, poor you. Because America doesn't win gold now, China MUST have cheated? aww poor sore loser, it's ok, just face it China will top the medal table. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.65.35.46 (talk) 21:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

All the judges were independent international judges. Do a bit of reading before you blabber accusations. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs 23:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

no medal for Sun Zhen and Li Aili

They are reserve players, not official players.
TOURNAMENT REGULATIONS "Each of the players of the three top-ranked teams who feature on a Match Report Forms shall receive a medal". They did not feature on any Match Report Forms.
photo on gettyimages They were not in the medal ceremony.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mousega (talk • contribs) 10:24, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

3 Events left

There are three events left for Chinese athletes on the last day. Men's Marathon, Rhythmic Gymnastics, and Boxing. So everything else should be up-to-date and completed in this article. DX243750 (talk) 17:35, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, all the sport should be up-to-date by now. — ■~∀SÐFﾑｻ~■ =] ^{Babashi? antenna?} 04:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Next up in two weeks time

--DX243750 (talk) 15:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

The subject is "China" at the Olympics, not "PRC" at the Olympics. Why does the info box treat the pre-1949 ROC appearances as just "related" appearance rather than putting them on par with the later appearances under the PRC? Readin (talk) 18:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. This article should also list pre-1949 appearances of China. There's no reason why they should be listed as "related appearances." Booble2004 (talk) 05:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Disagree. Readin's commentary is underpinned by his agreement to the PRC's view that it is the sole legitimate successor government of China, and that the ROC no longer exists. As long as there remains two claimants to being the legitimate government of China, wikipedia cannot display information which supports the assertions of one party over the other, all the more when it is on topics other than politics.--Huaiwei (talk) 03:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Legitimacy has nothing to do with it. Obviously the PRC does not enjoy the legitimacy of having been elected by the people. But it clearly does govern China as "China" has become synonymous with PRC. Readin (talk) 06:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

And there you go once again. Strict adherence to WP:NPOV will not confer greater recognition to the PRC government over that of the ROC, and that position will remain.--Huaiwei (talk) 08:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Disagree for non-political reasons. When I created these infoboxes, the idea was that they are organized by National Olympic Committee. In this case, the delgation sent by the Chinese Olympic Committee (code: CHN) is what is described in the main Olympic history section. However, the addition of the ROC teams from 1932–1948 in the "Other related appearances" section is supposed to indicate that mainland China was represented at the Olympic Games prior to 1980, albeit under a different NOC. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 20:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Disagree, as per Andrwsc. It's the NOC that counts. Aridd (talk) 23:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment the pre-1949 should be split into a separate article. the NOC was CHINA then. 70.55.87.204 (talk) 01:55, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Sections removed from article

The following were removed from the article. Sections are unreferenced, incomplete (sources say there were a total of 460 officials) and add unnecessarily to the vast length of the article

Officials

The delegation is headed by Liu Peng, minister of the General Administration of Sport, with Yu Zaiqing, Duan Shijie, Xiao Tian, Cui Dalin and Cai Zhenhua as his deputies. Cui Dalin will also act as secretary-general.

Chef de mission: Liu Peng

Deputy chef de mission: Yu Zaiqing, Duan Shijie, Xiao Tian, Cui Dalin, Cai Zhenhua

Secretary-general: Cui Dalin

Deputy secretary-general: Sun Kanglin, Sun Yongyan, Yu Chen, Yin Baolin, Zhang Hongtao, Yang Naijun, Song Jing, Ni Huizhong, Song Luzeng, Guo Jianjun, Pan Zhichen, Liu Fumin, Zhang Jian, Shi Kangcheng, Jiang Zhixue, Zhang Haifeng

Delegation Officials: Li Dazheng, Yu Hongchen, Liu Baoli, Zuo Zhiyong, Wen Wen (f.), Tiao Zhaorong, Li Guoping, Ma Jilong, Du Lijun

Delegation Staff: Liang Chun, Huang Wei, Wei Daishun, Wang Yun, Zhang Peng, Feng Baozhong, Chang Cheng, Tang Jun, Zhang Xin, Li Weicheng, Liu Yan, Liu Tong, Yuan Shoulong, Li Jinsong, Yang Shande, Xue Wanhe, Li Hui, Zhang Quanli, Wu Jian, Chen Chong, Ren Lirong (f.), Shen Jie (f.), Yuan Lei, Yuan Hong (f.), Wang Cheng, Ma Yun (f.), Tian Dexiang, Li Guangwei

Ambassadors

Sang Lan, former gymnast

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Basement12 (talk • contribs) 11:11, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

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