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On 18 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Central Council of Ukraine to Ukrainian Central Council. The result of the discussion was moved.

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What is the connection of this article to History of Russia? I don't think that just because there was relationship between Tsentralna Rada and Russia, it should be part of Russian history. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.185.133.119 (talk • contribs).

I don't have strong feelings either way, but I suppose the reason this article is in category:History of the Soviet Union and Soviet Russia, is because it is a topic very directly related to end of the Russian Empire. The Central Rada was the immediate successor to Russian power in Ukraine (and with the loss of Ukraine, the Empire became no longer an empire). I think the category implies that this article is related to that subject, but in no way makes the Central Rada Russian. —Michael Z. 2007-06-26 04:20 Z

Ukrainian National Council

Is this the same Rada as mentioned in the Polish-Ukrainian War article, also called the Ukrainian National Council? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 06:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the Ukrainian National Rada (formed 18 October 1918 which matches the other article) and the Tsentralna Rada were different. Tomorrow I will try to get to that article also. Ostap 06:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 18 July 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved to Central Rada (closed by non-admin page mover) — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 11:57, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Central Council of Ukraine → Ukrainian Central Council – Translation from Ukrainian: Українська Центральна Рада, and WP:CONSISTENT to First Universal of the Ukrainian Central Council, Second Universal of the Ukrainian Central Council. Lucjim (talk) 19:29, 18 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Frostly (talk) 13:09, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Ukraine has been notified of this discussion. Frostly (talk) 13:09, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:CONSUB, I think it would be to retitle those subtopics for consistency with this main article. Anyway, shouldn’t we consider a survey of reliable sources for WP:COMMONNAME before renaming? —Michael Z. 20:34, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per Google Books Ngram, Ukrainian Central Council sees more use.[1] But Central Rada sees much, much more use.[2] Unfortunately it seems very difficult to gauge the usage of Central Council on its own, which could lead us to consider the title Central Council (Ukraine). But since we prefer natural disambiguation to parenthetical (WP:NCDAB), I vote move to Central Rada. —Michael Z. 20:44, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Cleanup

A substantial amount of information in the article, often entire sections are completely unsourced. This has allowed the insertion of POV original research. I have marked the appropriate passages and sections with cleanup tags. Per WP:BURDEN and WP:V unsourced material may be removed at any time.

Maintenance tags, especially those regarding citations needed should never be removed, unless the issue is fixed, in this case adding proper sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 13:49, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]