Talk:Bury F.C./GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:37, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

I'll take a look - will copyedit as I go and make straightforward changes. Please revert if I inadvertently change the meaning. Comments below: Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:37, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

• In 2018–19, the first-team competed in EFL League Two, the fourth tier of the English football league system, having been relegated from EFL League One in May 2018. Bury finished the season as runners-up to win promotion at the first attempt and will return to League One in 2019–20. - possibly a wee bit wordy for the lead. Maybe "The team have returned to League One, the third tier of the English football league system, for the 2019–20 season, after spending one year in League Two in 2018-19." Agreed and condensed, but please check new wording.

yep, that'll do Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:12, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

*Founded in 1885, the club has been a member of the English Football League (EFL) since 1894. - I'd move this sentence into the next paragraph and incorporate it chronologically, like this. Done.

• Maybe add a descriptor to "Aiden Arrowsmith" - "local businessman/sports enthusiast" etc. Certainly a local enthusiast but his age and profession are unknown. Some better sources found.

• You've said they helped found the Lancashire league in the lead but not expanded on this in the body. This is in the second paragraph of "Formation and early years (1885–1895)": please advise if more information desired.

Yes but that just says they were one of the founding clubs. "Helped found" suggests there was some active or admin role...? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:18, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

I see what you mean. There is a belief that the Bury board actually founded that league and then invited other clubs including Liverpool, no less, to join. I can't source it though, so I've just said we were founder members per the Rundle source used in the narrative. Hope this helps. No Great Shaker (talk) 04:29, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Yeah it's frustrating when that happens - something you know or suspect might be so but no sources to back it up....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:29, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

• they should have been relegated after the 1904–05 season but gained a reprieve when the capacity of Division One was increased from eighteen to twenty clubs - :should" is a word best avoided, maybe "they finished bottom in the 1904–05 season but avoided relegation when the capacity of Division One was increased from eighteen to twenty clubs". Done.

• In the 1900 final, they beat Southern League team Southampton by four goals to nil - any reason why score is spelt out here? Looks odd when elsewhere it is the usual "1-1" format etc. Changed to 4–0.

• Bury took part in wartime competition and, like all other clubs, often relied on guest players because of service calls. - even though obvious, probably best to clarify that this is WWII. Done, plus a couple of extra links.

• The Colours and crest section needs some information on the crest. Second paragraph is about the crest, which reflects the town's traditional industries. Also, any reason why the colours were chosen in the first place? Searched high and low for that and can't find anything. We don't even know what colour the original stripes were. There are various theories about the colours but, without citation, no good here.

Oh well, if you can't find it you can't find it then. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:18, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

• Anything about supporters/hooligans, and any particular songs/chants they sing, or mascots? Ha! This is a good one. We do have a few nutters, like all clubs. They seem to hate Bolton, Rochdale, all Yorkshire clubs especially Leeds and, of course, Man U. We don't have any particular songs or chants other than shouting "Come on, Shakers" and "Who's your father, referee?" No, not a lot to be added to that, I'm afraid. LOL!

Re the point below, I ran a copy edit to change some of the wordings around the many promotions and relegations. Apart from the guys who won the Cup in 1900 and 1903, we haven't really had any major players apart from the young Colin Bell (who remains the best Bury player I've ever seen at Gigg). We've seen some pretty good players on the other side, though – we "entertained" Cloughie and Forest when they were European champs and they put seven past us!

Overall the page has 22kb of readable prose, so could double in size before it really really needs to be split. It's pretty complete, though some more on important players at various points in the history might make for less yo-yoing ("they were promoted, they were relegated, etc.") in the text. A nice read. Have had one read-though of the prose and think I'll need to have another. If you wanna make a push for FA-hood (which I recommend) then we can hunt out some other comments. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:46, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@Casliber: Hello and thank you for the review which has raised some good points. Thanks also for the work you've done on the article to help its chances. I'm a bit short of time just now but should be able to pick up some of your questions later today, certainly tomorrow. All the best. No Great Shaker (talk) 15:29, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@Casliber: Hello again. Managed to find some time this evening and I've been through all of the points raised. I've made some changes and added comments above in bold. Do please let me know if there is anything else I may be able to help with. Thank you again. No Great Shaker (talk) 20:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

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Pass or Fail: - an engaging read. Tricky to get other source material/ I just had a look on google books, and found this which adds some colour (a mascot, for instance) and this Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:34, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Aargh, it never even occurred to me to mention the mascot. We had "Robby the Bobby" for many years but he was an idiot who I'd rather forget. He was based on Robert Peel, who came from Bury. The current mascot is a cartoon police dog figure called "Peeler" who started in the last year or two. Please leave that with me because my brother-in-law, who lives in Bury, tells me he once saw something about Peeler on the club site and in the local paper. I'll see what else I can find about supporters. There is this "Forever Bury" action group who try to raise funds but not sure if they are on the internet at all. Thanks again. No Great Shaker (talk) 19:14, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

@Casliber: Back again. That was easier than I thought it would be. I found pieces on both the club and newspaper sites about the two mascots. I also found a small site by Forever Bury and added a line about recent average attendance. Let me know if there is anything else I can help with. Thanks again. No Great Shaker (talk) 20:00, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Ok all good. GA pass then. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:37, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Cas Liber. Much appreciated. All the best. No Great Shaker (talk) 20:49, 4 June 2019 (UTC)