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"Bro-ham"

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The pronunciation of Brougham as "bro-ham" goes back much further than any rap by Twista. I recall Will Smith, on his old TV show Fresh Prince of Bel Air, saying it when demonstrating "hood talk" to someone, and that was in the 1990s. Misterdoe 15:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation

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I'm working on replacing links to "coach" (which goes to a disambiguation page) with direct links to the appropriate articles. I'm stumped on what the appropriate article is in this case, so I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I thought perhaps carriage would be appropriate, but since a Brougham is a carriage, I'm not sure. Stagecoach seemed another possibility. There's also coach (vehicle) and coach (rail), but neither of those seems right. Help, please! - Skinny McGee 03:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the interest of pointing it at least closer to the right direction, I'm going to change it to carriage. If something else is more appropriate, please correct it. - Skinny McGee 16:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I posted the photo of my red brougham coach in the brougham article. While the brougham may well be a carriage, it is perfectly normal to refer to it as a coach. The distinction being the permanent hard top and sides around the passenger compartment. Coach vehicles, including the stage coach, have these hard enclosures as typical features. All coaches are carriages but all carriages are not coaches. All of these would have at least 4 wheels on at least 2 axles. An addition to this wheel / axle layout would be the wagon. The wagon would also satisfy the wheel / axle criteria but be neither a carriage or coach. The buggy would be a light weight carriage but not a coach. 2 wheeled, single axle vehicles are known as carts or chariots. The distinction here would be the attitude of the driver, either sitting or standing. I hope this is helpfull and apropriate here. --Epavels (talk) 18:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I came across the sentence "A line of electric broughams discharged their little cargoes . . ." in Arthur Conan Doyle's book "The Lost World" which appears to be first published in 1912. I regard this as a proof that electric broughams were known much earlier than in the 1930s. -- Joachim Schnitter 01:49, 18 July 2008 (CEST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.84.170.40 (talk)

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Vehicle featuring in a story not mentioned

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Arthur Conan Doyles Sherlock Holmes story "The Missing Three Quarter"

What is a 'perch'?

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"Four features specific to the Brougham were: 

   the absence of a perch ..."

What exactly is a 'perch' (on this style of carriage)? UnderEducatedGeezer (talk) 09:42, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest the answer is probably supplied through this excerpt from the article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaeton_(carriage)#Types
The most impressive but dangerous phaeton was the four-wheeled 'high-flyer', the body of which consisted of a light seat perched above two sets of springs
Nuttyskin (talk) 12:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is related to the undercarriage, not seating.

  • From Smith: "Perch. Pole or beam connecting fore and hind-carriages on certain vehicles, as a means of support."[1]: 187 
  • From Walrond: "Perch. The longitudinal member, between the front and rear axles, forming a foundation around which the undercarriage is constructed. Mail Coaches were built ona perch undercarriage. The minimum length for such a perch was 6 feet. The invention of the elliptic spring opened a new field for carriage designers, enabling vehicles to be built without perches. These are generally lighter and have a better lock. With a perch, the horses draw the vehicle by the undercarriage part, and every bump, which is hit by a wheel, is transmitted to the horses’ shoulders. Carriages without perches are more inclined to take the vibration, from pot holes, on the springs. The pole on such a vehicle is likely to bounce up, if the road is rough, and knock the horses in the teeth. A perch helps to keep the pole steady. Many American vehicles are built on a light perch undercarriage with two transverse elliptic springs."[2]: 209–210 

We definitely need an article, section of another article, or even a glossary to explain carriage parts and design since these historic terms, like "perch", are no longer typically used, or seen in real life.   ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 16:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Smith, D.J.M. (1988). A Dictionary of Horse Drawn Vehicles. J. A. Allen & Co. Ltd. ISBN 0851314686. OL 11597864M.
  2. ^ Walrond, Sallie (1979). The Encyclopaedia of Driving. Country Life Books. ISBN 0600331822. OL 4175648M.
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