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A fact from Black Futures appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 December 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Black Futures, a 544-page collection of Black art and writing, was originally going to be a zine?

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:44, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Black Futures, a 544-page collection of Black art and writing, was originally going to be a zine? Source: "In early 2015, Jenna Wortham, 38—then mostly covering tech for the New York Times—had it in mind to create a zine chronicling contemporary Black culture... As it happens, the zine never quite materialized. “I really love zines,” says [co-editor] Drew, “but I was also kind of like, What would it mean if we did something that was a little bit bigger?”" (Vogue)

Reviewed: Shikma Bressler

Created by Innisfree987 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Hi Innisfree987, a mention of zine caught my eye, I'll take this on to review Mujinga (talk) 16:28, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! (And zines—me too!) Innisfree987 (talk) 16:35, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General eligibility:
New enough:
Long enough:
Other problems:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: interesting article about this new book, it needs a light copyedit to make the curly apostrophes straight, if that makes sense (like this:"). the infobox is very wide, is that just from the website link? the lead could benefit from summarising the article better, perhaps mentioning contributors and the favourable reviews and also trimming the publication info a bit. an issue with the hook citing is that the Vogue ref needs to be on the relevant (zine) sentence in the text and also Vogue says "500-plus-page tome" not 544 pages. Mujinga (talk) 16:44, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for these excellent suggestions! I apologize for not citing the page count. It is from Kirkus. I will add this and the other information to the entry and ping you once I have an update. Innisfree987 (talk) 16:55, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mujinga, I have begun revising and addressed the main points you mention, although I will continue to polish, especially on the lead. I am only not sure what to do about the infobox—I know how to adjust the settings of a picture but not other lines on the template. If you have any ideas, I’d welcome them, it does look odd. I’m not opposed to removing the link from there and only having it in External links if it’s not fixable... Innisfree987 (talk) 17:56, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Innisfree987 Yeah I was pondering that, maybe use Template:Official website? Or indeed make it an external link. Mujinga (talk) 18:02, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, it needed a new WikiData item for the template to work but it’s in place now and I’ve removed the link from the infobox. I do wish we had one and that’s definitely the best option with the most resources for readers, but I don’t love placing prominent links to sale pages so, we’ll do without it. Innisfree987 (talk) 19:13, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nice one for the work! The lead looks better although I'd still say for me there's no need to mention the publisher infos in such detail. Re the website, having looked at where the link is going I'd say it's better in external links, as shown at Template:Official_website#URL_in_template. I copyedited a bit, hope that's ok. Anyway, for the DYK review, I still need the hook claim to be referenced on the specific sentence in the article per "Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact". Mujinga (talk) 20:10, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I’m confused about what’s missing for the hook? I think footnote 2 under Publication history (zine) and footnote 5 under Content (544 pages) cover it? Am I still overlooking something? Innisfree987 (talk) 20:51, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Meanwhile thank you for catching the stray punctuation! And I did use the official website template under external links: you might need to purge the page to see it if it’s not showing up. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:54, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hiya Innisfree987 what I meant is that the DYK hook here is backed by Vogue, but on the article it's backed by Vanity Fair (and Kirkus for the page count). You have added Kirkus already, if you could add Vanity Fair here as well (or bring the DYK nom and the article into alignment another way) then we are good to go. Mujinga (talk) 15:15, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for explaining—the Vogue ref is next to the zine sentence now! Innisfree987 (talk) 15:36, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Or here is the Vanity Fair ref: “Jenna came up, brilliantly, with this idea to do a zine [...] but for us, I think it was really important to make something that was in the interest of being in more places than I think a zine can be”. Just in case I’m stil misunderstanding; I’ve never run into this issue before. Innisfree987 (talk) 15:48, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good to go! Mujinga (talk) 18:41, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you as ever for all the time and attention to detail, Mujinga! Innisfree987 (talk) 18:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]