Talk:Bilge Kutluk Khaghan

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redirect or delete?

1.This appears to be the same as Bilge Khagan. Should it be deleted or made a redirect?

2a: Tengri Qaghan redirects here. The only What Links here for this is Qaghans of the Turkic khaganates which has Tengri Qaghan (734-741) which are not Bilge's dates. 2b. The Gokturk template has a Tengli Khagan which redirects here. 2c. Baumer, Hist Cent Asia, 2, 263 has a Tengri Khagan (?-741). I have not yet checked other sources. 2d. It appears that Tengli and Tengri are spelling variants of a man who died in 741 and is not Bilge.Benjamin Trovato (talk) 03:04, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bilge and Bilge Kutluk are different monarchs. So please remove the deletion tag. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 05:40, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My sources have Bilge Khagan as the fourth ruler and Tengri as his second son. Who was Bilge Kutluk? Note that the pages for Bilge and Bilge Kutluk have the same dates except for 683/684, which implies they were the same. Sources in English often have slightly different names for the same person. If he was a different person then good, but we need some account of who he was. Benjamin Trovato (talk) 22:22, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]