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Section size for Bidzina Ivanishvili (21 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	7,777	7,777
Early life and education	1,529	1,529
Business career	936	936
Early political career	5,087	5,087
2012 parliamentary election	11,621	11,621
Prime Minister of Georgia (2012–2013)	6,846	9,026
Foreign relations	2,180	2,180
First resignation (2013-2018)	7,371	7,371
Chairmanship of Georgian Dream, second resignation (2018-2023)	13,706	13,706
Honorary chairman of Georgian Dream (2023-present)	2,890	2,890
Political views	10,606	10,606
Wealth	7,931	7,931
Personal life	2,492	3,636
Citizenship	1,144	1,144
Honours	309	1,908
National honours	553	553
Foreign honours	1,046	1,046
See also	178	178
Notes	24	24
References	28	28
External links	1,434	1,434
Total	85,688	85,688

Sources and content for and against Ivanishvili as de facto dictator

The sources I've seen seem to universally state that for the past several years, Ivanishvili has been the de facto dictator of Georgia, but using different words such as "strongman" or "holding all the tools of real political power" or "autocrat". We need more good sources, and summaries of their content, integrated together, either for or against the view of Ivanishvili as a dictator. In principle, since "dictator" is the simplest word, we could use that, but consensus is unlikely until/if sources use that particular word. My guess is that "dictator" implies a stronger absolute power than "autocrat". To avoid opening that can of worms here, I suggest waiting until/if WP:RS commonly use "dictator".

In any case, we need good sources and content based on those sources - including any good sources that claim that Ivanishvili is not a dictator. So far, I haven't found any. Boud (talk) 17:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are right sources clearly show he's the de facto ruler so that addition is very useful to anyone who is reading and trying understanding who he is. I also agree with avoiding word dictator for now because it is not used widely and would be more disputed. One thing I'm not sure about is saying he's de facto ruler "as of 2024", which sounds like he just recently became ruler. Don't think sources make that claim and some of them, like Transparency International, talk about wide period starting from 2012, so argument can be made he was de factor ruler for many years. I think better just remove 2024 and say he's recognized as de facto ruler without specific timeframe?--LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 17:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested phrasing changes

In the "Business career" section:

1. "...allowed them to purchase lucrative metals and banking assets on the cheap..." -> "...allowed them to purchase lucrative metals and banking assets at a relatively low cost ..."

2. "Metals and banking are source of Ivanishvili's great wealth." -> "These assets are the primary sources of Ivanishvili's wealth."

In the "Early political career" section:

(paragraph 2): "...the fact that was unknown to the general public.." -> "...a fact that was unknown to the general public.."

(paragraph 3): "...build a new infrastructure in the country..." -> "...build new infrastructure in the country..." Eraepoch (talk) 21:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]