Talk:Behemoth (roller coaster)

Behemoth (roller coaster) has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
November 13, 2009	Good article nominee	Listed
July 20, 2012	Good article reassessment	Kept

Current status: Good article

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Cost of construction

I've seen this reported as "$26 million". Is this in United States dollars or Canadian dollars? --Idont Havaname (Talk) 01:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian Dollars I suppose since it's Canada's Wonderland. That's all I got, nothing saying otherwise either, no one knows. When I get back to work, I'll dig around, maybe I'll get an answer. -- cncxbox 4:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

It is indeed in Canadian Dollars, I've asked my managers. -- cncxbox 6:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Facebook Group

Please do not edit the Facebook group link, unless it's endorsed by Canada's Wonderland employees or it's an official group by Canada's Wonderland. -- Cncxbox 05:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Remember, unless proven, your group will constantly be delisted until you can prove that you are a staff of Canada's Wonderland who created the group. I monitor this page heavily, more than any other pages since I created it. -- Cncxbox 04:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: Your group can stay listed as long as you add it separately under the supported one as I have constantly listed. -- Cncxbox 21:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Behemoth coaster.jpg

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Replaced with: Image:BEHEMOTH-nite.jpg -- cncxbox 16:39, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Height restriction

The height restriction was originally set to 52", but it has been recently modified to 54". I checked the sources but couldn't find a figure supporting either. I removed the height restriction as it is still under construction, perhaps hence undecided, and for lack of sources. -- dockingman^talk 23:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's 54", confirmed by a official sources. Dheppens (talk) 15:54, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Major Revisions

I've made many revisions and additions to this page - it's twice as big as it was before I started working on it. I'd appreciate thoughts and copy editing from extra pairs of eyes. Enjoy. Dheppens (talk) 05:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great job Dheppens! - Epson291 (talk) 13:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!! Dheppens (talk) 15:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed

Aka: "CWMania (Canada's Wonderland fan club)"

A note for discussion regarding CWMania. I had added a paragraph to the "Reception" section which read as follows:

The park continues to recognize the popularity and success of Behemoth by hosting special events for the ride, such as Extended Ride Time and the second annual, "Behemothon," an evening of uninterrupted access for members of CWMania (Canada's Wonderland fan club) in June 2009.

This referenced a CBC Entertainment article which stated same. This paragraph was blanked by 70.29.54.240 (talk) and I interpreted this as vandalism and reversed it. 70.29.54.240 then adjusted the paragraph to simply: "The park continues to recognize the popularity and success of Behemoth by hosting special events for the ride, such as Extended Ride Time." With citation removed. I now believe this is not vandalism, but a good faith effort to improve the article overall by removing the reference to CWMania. I would like to reach a consensus on this issue. My position is that the group CWMania does exist, the event Behemothon did occur, and I believe it is an important mention in the Reception section. The CBC article, "Thrill of the Behemoth" stated:

While Wonderland hasn't instituted any permanent special privileges for the Behemoth riders, the park did organize several events catering to the group of coaster aficionados. There was an hour of Extended Ride Time (known as ERT in the coaster world) in July, when season's pass holders were allowed in an hour early solely to ride Behemoth. And there was the Behemothon, an evening of uninterrupted access for members of CWMania in June.

Dheppens (talk) 06:33, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have returned the reference to CWMainia for the reasons described above. Dheppens (talk) 21:30, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have marked the reception section as disputed as some content continues to be blanked. As an attempted resolution, I have rewritten this section to attempt to include all viewpoints with clearer and and better sourced statements. I appeal for assistance in resolving this dispute. Dheppens (talk) 02:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As there has been total silence on this issue since the rewrite, I'm assuming that editors are now happy with the balanced content. Removing the disputed tag. Dheppens (talk) 07:47, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Info Redundancies

This article is replete with several unnecessary reiterations of facts. For example, there's about four or five identical sentences about the high efficiency through-put. I'm new here and this isn't a huge issue but it looks ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by QuiteSo (talk • contribs) 18:21, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Behemoth Reassessment

GA Reassessment: Behemoth (roller coaster)

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Behemoth (roller coaster)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

This are the issues I have found within the article (most have to do with references, the quality of the article (the way it is written) is good and doesn't need to be changed.):

Numerous references are no longer working. These need to be fixed.
- Done Themeparkgc Talk 07:57, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"some persons over a certain weight/waist size cannot be accommodated by this arrangement", needs a reference.
- Done Themeparkgc Talk 08:23, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reference 11 does not support all the info it is said to in the "track" section of the article.
- It does support the sentence that it is attributed though — the source does mention the trim brakes. Ref 4, as cited in the article, supports the other statements in this section. Themeparkgc Talk 08:23, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - I can't seem to find any mention of magnetic brakes (I know that the coaster obviously does have them but there is no mention of them in the reference...only trims)--Dom497 (talk) 19:26, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - See comment below. Themeparkgc Talk 23:12, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References 2, 12, 13, and 14's url needs to be changed in order for the links to work. For example, the url, http://attraction.canadaswonderland.com/public/latest/gallery/index.cfm?mode=image&chip=109, needs to be changed to http://behemoth.canadaswonderland.com/public/latest/gallery/index.cfm?mode=image&chip=109.
- Done Themeparkgc Talk 07:57, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"At the boarding area, the station features three colour-coded cabinets for loose belongings – one designated for each of the three trains", reference number 13 does not support this.
- DoneAstros4477 (talk) 02:09, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Unlike all of the park's other attractions, Behemoth has its own gift shop at the exit", Leviathan has a gift shop.
- Reworded Themeparkgc Talk 08:23, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"subjects the rider to a maximum speed of 125 km/h (77 mph) achieved in less than 3.9 seconds", reference 4 or 5 do not support this.
- Added a new source to support this. Themeparkgc Talk 08:23, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"From the top, a passenger can clearly see the iconic CN Tower to the left and overlook the entire park to the right", is not supported by references 2, 4, or 5.
- Added a new source to support the CN Tower claim. Themeparkgc Talk 08:23, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"reach the maximum speed of 127 km/h (78.9 mph) in 3.9 seconds," references 2, 4, or 5 do not support the part about 3.9 seconds.
- Added a new source to support this. Themeparkgc Talk 08:23, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"The drop creates an air-time sensation for the duration of the descent", needs a reference.
- I removed this statement, itll probly be hard to find any kind of ref for that. It seems to violate NPOV anyway.--Astros4477 (talk) 21:09, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The entire "experience" section of the article should be combined into one paragraph.
- I don't see how this is a requirement for a good article. What part of the critera suggests they should be merged? Themeparkgc Talk 07:57, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - It's not, its I find it easier to read as one paragraph, I forgot to say in the initial statement that it is optional. Sorry about the confusion.--Dom497 (talk) 19:26, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"The train waits at the terminal brake run until it is cleared for return by the station", reference 5 doesn't support this.
- See comment below. Themeparkgc Talk 23:12, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"At this point, the train passes directly above people waiting in the main queue below", doesn't have a reference.
- Removed Themeparkgc Talk 23:12, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Most references in the "operation" section of the article are not working.
- Done Themeparkgc Talk 07:57, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dom497 (talk • contribs) 23:24, 12 July 2012‎

I've completed some work to fix the dead and outdated links. Themeparkgc Talk 07:57, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've added some more sources to accompany the uncited claims. Just 4 more things to go. Themeparkgc Talk 08:23, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Is anyone planning on fixing the four remaining issues? 7 days from now, if no changes are made or not actively being fixed, I will delist the article.--Dom497 (talk) 19:26, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm in favour of removing the remaining information that cannot be attributed to a source as it seems rather trivial to me. Anyone have any objections? Themeparkgc Talk 23:59, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - I agree. I tried finding pictures or video of the station showing the three colored bins but nothing came up.--Astros4477 (talk) 00:08, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - This is going to sound sooo ridiculous but there is the video of Justin Beiber on Behemoth that shows the bins: [1]. I am not a fan of Bieber.--Dom497 (talk) 00:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        Haha I've actually seen that video before. That's probly the best you'll find though.--Astros4477 (talk) 00:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        At least its a reliable reference!--Dom497 (talk) 01:02, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are only 2 things that haven't been addressed. According to Wikipedia's Verifiability policy, "in practice it is only necessary to provide inline citations [...] for any information that has been challenged or that is likely to be challenged". I feel this is the case here. Nobody can legitimately argue that the train doesn't wait at the brake run until the station is clear. Also as you said yourself Dom, its very clear there are magnetic brakes on the ride. I personally feel these elements could be left as is and the article still passed. Also, if you look back at the originally reviewed article, this information was present yet the article was still passed. Themeparkgc Talk 23:12, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. The article will remain a GA. Thanks Astro and Themeparkgc for helping get this article back up to par!--Dom497 (talk) 19:30, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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