Talk:Battle of Radom (1656)

Name of the battle, outcome and command

According to Polish sources, this battle is known as the battle of Zakrzew. Poles attacked the Swedes by surprise, and forced Swedes to retreat. Poles were under the command of castellan of Sandomierz Stanisław Witowski, and Swedes were led by Rutger von Ascheberg. As for the number of troops, I do not have any information for now. Kcdlp (talk) 19:51, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

According to "Biografiskt lexicon öfver namnkunnige svenske män" the battle was fought in Zakroff (or Sackersen in German) which I guess is Zakrzew. It's correct, Swedes were surprised and surrounded at the village of Zakrzew and after about 11 assaults from the Polish force the Swedes managed to break out and escape with a number of Polish prisoners. Imonoz (talk) 11:39, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, yes, Zakroff must be a Zakrzew. I found one source about this battle. Which says that, Ascheberg managed to retreat to Radom. I will try to find some more information in books. Whether, Swedish sources give only 1,500 men of Polish troops, or there are also other numbers? Kcdlp (talk) 17:08, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey, Yes that's probably right, I haven't studied this battle any closer, I quickly filled up with information on an already existing article on Swedish wikipedia, then translated it and made a new one on English as well. Well, I've encountered another number of troops, both for the Swedish and Polish sides. "Biografiskt lexicon öfver namnkunnige svenske män" (listed in the article) says the Swedes were 240, Anders Fryxell says they were 250 and I've also encountered a number saying 255. Polish numbers are put on 1,500 men in both listed sources. However, according to a German "p. 37" source the Poles were 2,300 men strong (if I understood it correctly) same as another Swedish source. I've not seen any more numbers than that but I'll look a bit further. Imonoz (talk) 21:43, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I found the article in the old Radom newspaper, about the march of the army of Charles X through Radom. The author of this article probably use Puffendorf as a source. According to this article, the battle took place on February 11 (surely the Gregorian calendar), Stanisław Witowski had 1,500 men (3 banners of cavalry, the rest of his troops were peasants). The vanguard of the Swedish troops had 300 men. In Zakrzew, Swedes were attacked and repelled 11 assaults. Swedes were still surrounded but the next day, at the news of the approaching the main Swedish troops, Witowski withdrew. There is no information about the losses on both sides. I'll try to find some correspondence of Polish commanders about this. Kcdlp (talk) 16:11, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, okey. That syncs well with the Swedish version, only difference is that it says the Swedes managed to break out before after running short on ammunition. Imonoz (talk) 15:23, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Expanded article

Hello @Imonoz I hope I'm not disturbing you, I want to ask you if you would be able to expand this article more, add the course of the battle and so on, of course I'm not forcing you, you don't have to do it but But I think it's worth expanding on this article.But unfortunately I don't have any Polish sources that would describe this battle so I couldn't possibly help and I know that you know more about these topics than I do and that's why I'm asking. Thank you in advance :) Historyk.ok (talk) 22:13, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello. This article definitely needs expanding and newer sources to support it. I'm actually awaiting a biography about the Swedish commander, Rutger von Ascheberg, that I recently bought. As soon as I've read it – although it might be a while until then – I'll see if there's anything of value to work with. I'll keep it in mind. Thanks for the suggestion. Imonoz (talk) 22:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)