Talk:Battle of Muktsar

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Sir you are editing false information on the battle of Muktsar please consult sources in which it is clearly stated that Mughals were defeated in the battle of Muktsar .

Bold text=Coren Search Bot= The Coren search Bot did a search of the web and found that I had used some information from the same articles Sikhi Wiki counterpath, Although I was not aware of this rule at first, I now am and have thus rewritten anything that may have come from the website that may have come from the website. The article is now original but the Coren search bot warning is still there on the page. Please Fix It. Gursikhzuber (talk) 14:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC) Also, secondly I would Like to remind the editors that Sikhi Wiki is a copyright free website and that anyone may use articles on Sikhi Wiki without a copy right issue unless it is stated that They are not allowed to do so. For Further Information and proof, you may visit the web sites copy right information page yourself:- http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Copyright_released.

Thank you and Have a nice day!

Gursikhzuber (talk) 15:05, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Redirect.

• • DO NOT** restore the copyvio. Either create the content with wp:RS (the copied article is not that, see the linked article).- sinneed (talk) 15:55, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

It is not a copyright violation. The source is licensed under CC-BY license, which explicitly permits reuse with attribution. This is no different to an editor creating an article and submitting it here; if you disagree with any of the information, remove it, correct it or take it to WP:AfD. If you can reference it to reliable sources, please do so, but unilateral redirection isn't acceptable. – Toon 16:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

• It is a copyvio if it is not, as you pointed out, credited. I am sorry I was not clear.
• Unilateral redirection of an article is acceptable. If it is an established article and someone is likely to object, it is better to put up merge-to and merge-into templates. The article is entirely wp:OR... it had no citations. It is new. The redirect is appropriate.- sinneed (talk) 16:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

:::*I am sorry to see this chunk of wp:OR restored. Might you share your reasoning why this brand new, unsourced article needs to stay? It is a copy of a wp:EL... why do we need it here? How does it help?- sinneed (talk) 16:32, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

• Further, I certainly won't kill it again. I just don't support your restore.- sinneed (talk) 16:34, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of deleting articles on notable subjects. I've added a few refs I found with a quick google search - it's quite widely mentioned, but it does need some cleanup. – Toon 16:58, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Poor Article Needs a Re-write

I have checked the original article at Sikhiwiki and it is very poorly written. I propose this entire article be rewritten with proper references and any reference to Sikhiwiki be removed. Sikhiwiki is very poor on the wikiscale and the quality of articles there is heavily influenced by POV. --Sikh-history (talk) 20:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, well I've stubbed the article to some basics backed up by reliable sources, since the Sikhiwiki stuff was so bad. It could do with some expansion though, if you know any good sources etc.! – Toon 20:16, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Will start digging out the books and get some proper references. Thanks --Sikh-history (talk) 10:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I would dis-agree that the article for this battle on Sikhwiki is badly written. The results of the battle, cannot be contested. Furthermore, being a cultural topic the back-story is important as well. Talking about the 40 deserters, the siege of Anandpur Sahib, etc. are all relevant even for someone studying purely from a historical and martial POV as it lays the framework, and basis for the battle.

Therefore, I would ask kindly that you leave your prejudices at the door; unless you want a repeat of the Battles of Chamkaur, and Muktsar at your doorstep! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.48.169.110 (talk) 04:26, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

about result

Evidence in references about conclusion of battle in favour of Sikhs is obvious as wazir Khan and forces led by him were repulsed by Sikh forces in battle. So reverting to stalemate conclusion by user: Xtremedood is unsourced. User is requested not to revert again his unsourced conclusion.Guglani (talk) 11:20, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

No. The sources clearly indicate the Sikhs did not favourable conclusion in this battle. The current version is clear. Xtremedood (talk) 11:24, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

what does wazir Khan was repulsed mean in souce at 3, if conclusion is not in favour of Sikhs ;, user:Xtremedood please understand meaning of simple English and must provide his source for stalemate conclusion otherwise agree.Guglani (talk) 11:30, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Being held off is one thing, which is stated in my edit. However, the entire Sikh force was destroyed, except for one person. One person escaped. Source is clear. The source makes it clear that the Sikhs suffered more and were in a more unfavourable position than the Mughals. Xtremedood (talk) 11:35, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

First , it was not entire Sikh force destroyed, second wazir Khan was repulsed, third gur Gobind singh and Sikhs all survived, so please come to rational conclusion , and u are requested again , do not revert further without sourcesGuglani (talk) 11:46, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I am stating what is exactly from the sources. You have not provided for a productive dialogue in this matter. Do not continue with your vandalism. Xtremedood (talk) 11:51, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

where from word 'fled ' came for survivor, from which source ? Why removed words wazir Khan was repulsed which is exactly from source, it is user: Xtremedood who is resorting to vandalism by removing sourced material and forcing his personal opinion, who should not continue vandalism .let wiki community take note of this.Guglani (talk) 14:56, 8 April 2015 (UTC)