Talk:Barmouth Bridge

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A fact from Barmouth Bridge appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 November 2015 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that by 1980, the structure of the Barmouth Viaduct had come under attack from marine woodworm, which threatened its closure?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2015/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Barmouth Bridge.

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Thick or thin gravel.

User:Ritchie333 whilst it is true that the source says "overlying a 1.8-2.4m thick bed of gravel above peat.", if you were to carry on reading you would come to the phrase "to distribute the weight of the structure evenly over the comparatively thin layer of river bed gravel.". So would you please consider replacing thin in the article?SovalValtos (talk) 11:14, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we could do, but I think just saying "a layer of gravel" keeps things simple and readable for a typical reader who just wants to know a bit more about the bridge. After all, the article's not about the gravel. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:17, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs) 09:24, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to undertake this review. I am familiar with this bridge as a feature of the Mawddach estuary. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:24, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

First reading

In general the article is satisfactory, adequately referenced and illustrated. Here are some points that struck me.

"... which came under threat from closing." - "threat of closure" I would have thought.

I've reworded this. You could read what was there and interpret that the woodworm was under threat of closure, after all. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:00, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"... and has one of the longest timber viaducts still in regular use in Britain." - surely "is" rather than "has"?

No, because the viaduct is part of the bridge, but not the whole bridge! Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:00, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"The section containing the bridge is on the Cambrian Coast railway between Machynlleth and Pwllheli.[3] It is a Grade II* listed structure ..." - The word "it" here would appear to refer to the section of railway line!

Fixed Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:00, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"The north end by the swing bridge section is next to the foot of Cadair Idris," - I would have thought that the summit of Cader Idris is ten miles away so this is a bit of an exaggeration.

The summit is, but the rock formation that is part of it ends at the Mawddach Estuary. I've clarified this with a bit more of the source. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:00, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"The first two spans here are built directly into the rock." - "onto" would probably be better.

Okay. I think I was assuming the spans were drilled into the rock above ground and secured, but looking carefully that's not the case. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:00, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"As built, it included a lifting drawbridge section at the northern end to permit the passage of tall ships, constructed entirely of wood." - perhaps move the "constructed entirely of wood" bit as at the moment it seems to refer to the tall ships.

Reworded Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:00, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"... though it has not been open to ships since testing in 1987." - I think you mean that no ships have actually required it to be opened since 1987.

Fixed Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:00, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"However, the local council were opposed to closing the bridge completely" - Which local council was this?

Fixed. (I guess not everyone knows where Gwynedd is). Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:00, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"In June, the toll was removed after the couple ..." - the word "couple" is a bit colloquial in this context.

I've gone with "collector" Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:00, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's all for the moment. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:57, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Cwmhiraeth: - I think all those issues have been addressed, anything else? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:00, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GA criteria

The article is well written and complies with MOS guidelines on prose and grammar, structure and layout.
The article uses many reliable third-party sources, and makes frequent citations to them. I do not believe it contains original research.
The article covers the main aspects of the subject and remains focussed.
The article is neutral.
The article is stable.
The images are relevant and have suitable captions, and are either in the public domain or properly licensed.

Final assessment - I am happy with the improvements made to the article and believe it meets the GA criteria. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:45, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - I've never been over the bridge yet, only seen it from either side on the road, but if I get a chance to have another holiday in this part of Wales, I will - my kids love a train journey. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:57, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well done to all involved. SovalValtos (talk) 19:22, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well you did quite a bit of work on it as well, SovalValtos, so thanks for that! Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 20:57, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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