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A fact from Bandy X. Lee appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 February 2018 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that American psychiatrist Bandy X. Lee briefed 12 members of the U.S. Congress on the mental health of President Donald Trump, although she had never met him?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2018/February. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bandy X. Lee.

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Attribution for use of material in Draft:Mental health of Donald Trump

Some material from this article has been incorporated into Draft:Mental health of Donald Trump. bd2412 T 03:36, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is Bandy Lee really a psychiatrist?

The article states that Lee is an "American psychiatrist", yet there is no citation or evidence to support this in the article. Her own Yale profile shows her as being a licensed MD and having a Masters of Divinity (Mdiv) degree. Her profile makes no claim that she is a psychiatrist. So is she? Maybe she is and maybe she isn't; there is no way to know by reading the article other than taking the claim on faith. Any claim that she is a psychiatrist should either be supported, or removed until such documentation can be provided. grifterlake (talk) 20:17, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MDs can either be general practitioners (family doctors) or take a few years more to be specialists, and this includes psychiatry.ZarhanFastfire (talk) 03:21, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 10:23, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some inappropriate changes

1. The recent edit changed "In 2020, Yale University fired Lee from her voluntary non-tenured position for breaking the Goldwater rule in her evaluations of Trump" to "In 2020, Yale University fired Lee from her medical faculty position for breaking the Goldwater rule in her evaluations of Alan Dershowitz, who defended Trump during his first impeachment trial." - but the cited source makes no mention of Dershowitz's role in the impeachment trial

2. The recent edit reinserted commentary related to John Kelly's use of the book about Trump edited by Lee - but this does not belong in the article, and certainly not in the lead, as it is not directly about Lee. It may be suitable in the article about the book, as I have commented before, more than once. Red Slapper (talk)

No one has engaged my arguments above in over 6 weeks. Does anyone have any response before I remove this? Red Slapper (talk) 20:45, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The current text mentions both Dershowitz and Trump, which is supported by the source. Because Lee's notability derives from the book and responses to it, I think that its well-documented use by John Kelley in the White House deserves mention. Cullen328 (talk) 21:09, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am ok with the Dershowitz mention as it is now with the new source. We have an article about her book, and the Kelly use could go there, but I don't think it belongs in her bio. She is as notable (if not more so) for getting fired by Yale and violating the Goldwater rule as she is for the book. In any case, the fact she edited the book is in the article, but Kelly's use of it is more than one degree of separation from her.Red Slapper (talk) 08:11, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nuking North Korea

This material is not relevant to the article. It uses two sources that do not mention Bandy Lee, or the book she edited about Trump, even once. They talk about White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly, who was mentioned in a previous sentence (which is of dubious relevance to the article as well), but discuss a different matter - this is a case of coat-racking. Red Slapper (talk) 23:28, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit War

@Pirolam and Red Slapper: this has gone on for months. I have full protected the page to allow you two (and other) to discuss this instead of continually edit warring Star Mississippi 16:13, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the edit war needs to stop. As you can see, I have posted several comments on this page, while Pirolam refuses to engage. How do you suppose we can make progress when only one side participates? Red Slapper (talk) 16:24, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Pirolam should absolutely engage, however their not doing so doesn't give you license to continue edit warring. Star Mississippi 16:26, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What will motivate them to engage, now that you have locked the page with their version intact? Red Slapper (talk) 16:28, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you think their conduct needs escalating, you're welcome to try DRN or one of the admin boards. I take no position on which version is correct. I protected it as I found it. Star Mississippi 16:33, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am asking you what effect you think your actions will have - we have user who has refused to engage on this page, used sock puppet account in the past, and now the page is frozen with their version in it. Why would they bother to engage now? Red Slapper (talk) 16:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you believe they're continuing to use sockpuppets, please file a report. Star Mississippi 17:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are not really responding to my question. Red Slapper (talk) 19:06, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry if you feel that way. I've given you multiple channels to proceed with your content and conduct dispute. My sole role here is stopping the edit war Star Mississippi 21:13, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a question of "feelings" - you have simply not answered the question. You're not obligated to do so, of course, but at least have the integrity to concede you are not responding to what I am asking you. Red Slapper (talk)` — Preceding undated comment added 00:34, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]