Talk:Balzac

redirect

The person's name is Honore de Balzac, upon entering his full name you go to his article. The band is called Balzac, upon entering Balzac you go to the band article.

If you wish to redirect Balzac to a disambiguation page, that might be a good compromise - but don't just direct his partial name to his article. thanks

カンチョーSennen Goroshi ! (talk) 05:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Da Vinci is a partial name of a famous person, but he still gets the redirect rather than Da Vinci (band) -- and rightfully so, he's way more famous. Balzac should get the same consideration, considering that he was one of the most influential writers of the 19th century. This band is named after Honoré de Balzac, but that shouldn't entitle them to be the default Balzac now!

But I'm not going to get into an edit war with you, so for now I'm adding links to the author from the (now) default Balzac (band) page. Grmagne (talk) 14:48, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about one of us makes a disambiguation page? It might be better to have Balzac go to the disambiguation, irrespective of which one is more deserving. カンチョーSennen Goroshi ! (talk) 15:01, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PRIMARYTOPIC says:

"When there is a well-known primary topic for an ambiguous term, name or phrase, much more used than any other topic covered in Wikipedia to which the same word(s) may also refer (significantly more commonly searched for and read than other meanings), then that term or phrase should either be used for the title of the article on that topic or redirect to that article."

I daresay Honoré de Balzac is much more commonly meant when the single-word "Balzac" is used or searched for. I vote to leave the main redirect to the author. Scartol • Tok 21:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

People looking for Honoré de Balzac are capable of typing in the complete name. Hence the redirect goes to the band, the band's complete name is Balzac. If you don't like that redirect, please make a disambiguation page. カンチョーSennen Goroshi ! (talk) 03:40, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The ability of the user to enter something else is unrelated to determining what the primary topic that users who have entered this name are looking for. Churchill goes to Winston Churchill, for example. If you think the primary topic for "Balzac" should be changed to no primary topic, please propose the move of the disambiguation page to the base name -- but I suspect that there will not be consensus for that change. WP:RM for more. -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:16, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Although I wanted it redirected to the band, I was prepared to accept the compromise of a disambiguation in order to prevent edit warring. Perhaps you should do the same? カンチョーSennen Goroshi ! (talk) 16:04, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a compromise. You claim that the band is the primary topic; others claim that the author is the primary topic. The author actually is the primary topic. Making there be no primary topic is wrong, not a compromise. The way to determine your proposed compromise is to follow the WP:RM process to move the disambiguation page to the base name. Perhaps you should do that? -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:52, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits to what was seeming to be a stable resolution to a dispute are getting close to disruption. Please calm down and let the disambiguation stay. カンチョーSennen Goroshi ! (talk) 17:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for self-reverting. Your edit summaries are less heartening, esp. when you then want to warn me about disruption and calm. The "stable" version of this page is the redirect to the author, which is where it's been before each of your edits on Mar 2009, Apr 2009, an Mar 2010 (×4) -- it has pointed to the author for 1358 days of the 1386 days since May 26, 2006, or 97% of the time. Your edits also end up with a malplaced dab (a disambiguation page with no primary topic but not at the base name), which is why I keep directing you to the WP:RM process. -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:28, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is not an important enough issue to warrant and edit war, or hard feelings - hence the self revert.カンチョーSennen Goroshi ! (talk) 14:28, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]