Talk:Baalveer Returns

Season 2.5

Starting 14th December, Baalveer Returns will now telecast stories on a weekly basis, unlike Baalveer Returns Season 1 which ran elaborated tracks. This has been confirmed by many reliable news portals including Tellychakkar, I am not sure if it as a reliable source is accepted by Wikipedia but I have seen Tellychakkar as a citation on many Wikipedia pages. Moreover, the focus has been shifted to Kids like Baalveer, the prequel. Hence, it is important to add it. As per Wikipedia rules, the plot of a show should be general information, and not episode by episode story. Hence, I have added the plot and shifted all episodes story to Series overview. Just like the Wikipedia page of The Kapil Sharma Show where the names of all guests are mentioned in a table, I had added it here but somebody reverted it twice and asked to write on Talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivaanmathur (talk • contribs) 06:44, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@Vivaanmathur: The table that I see in this version of the article at the bottom of the season "2.5" plot summary is misplaced. If what you were trying to do was create a list of episodes, that's not how to do that, and it certainly wouldn't belong in a section that had previously been intended to summarise the series plot. Have you ever even seen a TV article that was written by editors who know what they're doing? The Kapil Sharma Show isn't even a good example, because it's an entirely different format of show and contains a number of mistakes. The series overview section is supposed to be at the top of a list of episodes, not in a overall plot summary.

Look at The Boys (2019 TV series), for instance. Instead of building something like that, you dumped a random table into a section that was entirely prose. These are two entirely different content structures. And on top of that, you added it back, despite the fact that you have virtually no editing experience here and were reverted by someone else. Pro-tip: take advice from people who know what they're doing, don't just try to force your preferences into this community encyclopedia. When people copy poorly-written articles, they copy mistakes over into new articles, and the problems just keep spreading. You should read MOS:TV and get familiar with community guidelines, and it probably would hurt for you to take a look at some Good Article-rated TV articles so you understand what we're supposed to be building to.

And just to reiterate what I've already said on your talk page, you may not copy content from other sources as you did when you added that extra plot summary. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 08:41, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

I've since fixed some of the problems at the Kapil Sharma article so that someone else doesn't make the same mistakes. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 08:47, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

I have written this now. I am not making any change. Request you to do it. First of all there is an error in the plot which is also noticed by the template. The plot is supposed be a general plot about the show and not episode by episode review. I have written this plot and request you to add it yourself.

Baalveer, the protector of goodness and truthfulness, has become back to save Earth from the new evil. This time, however, he has with him his successor, the Junior Baalveer. Baalveer, whose powers had been reducing, came back when the Junior Baalveer was crowned. Both the Baalveer, along with the Paris, and Ananya, now Kareegar Pari successfully end Timnasa and now fight against Ray and Bhaymaar.

Whatever is already there in the Plot section is not a plot, its a detailed review of the episode. that should be moved to the already existing Series overview section. Also a list of weekly detail should be added there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivaanmathur (talk • contribs) 10:23, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

The section that goes into excessive detail about each season is a plot section that has gotten out of hand. It started as a plot section, but as ignorant editors kept adding to it, unaware of community protocols, it got longer. All of that content should be condensed to no more than 500 words per season. This most recent version you are proposing, is more of a premise summary. So while that would be okay to include, we would still need a plot description that gives readers a general idea of each season's main storyline(s) (under 500 words per season). Some example articles I picked randomly from our Good Articles would be The House of Flowers (TV series), Babylon 5, and Veronica Mars. All are structured slightly differently, some with longer summaries, some with shorter. The point of what I'm saying is, there is a middle-ground between what is there, and the very short version you are proposing. There may even be a reason to include both. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:19, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

What you have done right now is a strong move to remove quality content, which defeats the purpose of Wikipedia. First of all, I want to know who are you and who gave you the right to prevent changes into Wikipedia. Who are you to ban people on Wikipedia. The changes which I had made, there is nothing wrong in them, you can yourself check the show out. Wikipedia works on reliable sources. If your source is reliable and your content is correct, no one can stop you from editing that too in such a popular show. If you want, I can cite a few sources with the same story. I had initially given the content in the plot which was there on official Sony LIV app thinking it was "reliable" and the same content has been provided on websites that are supported by Wikipedia for a reliable source. after learning that there was copyright involved here, I wrote down my own plot just to realise I have been banned from editing this page even if there was no wrong edit. You did not understand the edit and the reason and unnecessarily told that its a disruptive edit. I have gone through all rules now and do not find anything wrong in my content. So I sent the plot in the talk section, but you DID not add it, instead you renamed the existing one into Series overview. Do you know people use Wikipedia for research? If any one comes to the show and doesn't find a plot, nobody would understand anything. You need to understand user convenience if you want to become a bully on Wikipedia, without reading the articles of Wikipedia WP: yourself! Anyone can edit Wikipedia as long as they are citing a reliable source. I understand that it's not free for everyone but if your content is correct and verified by a supported source, it can be accepted. I would like to know how one can file a complaint against any user on Wikipedia. Vivaanmathur (talk) 08:08, 28 December 2020 (UTC)Vivaan Mathur

And also, @Cyphoidbomb:, check out the Wikipedia page of TV show Vighnaharta Ganesha, it has a list of all chapters in the show. Now you would say that is wrong?

Vivaanmathur (talk) 06:50, 29 December 2020 (UTC)Vivaanmathur

@Vivaanmathur: What you need to know, is that the community has a set of guidelines in place, our Manual of Style for Television. We also have many quality television articles that you can browse at WP:GA and WP:FA so that you get a better sense of what our goals are. When you edit against community preferences, or are out of sync with community standards, your edits are ultimately not constructive. And no, Wikipedia is not a free-for-all. Creating an episode table in a prose section where no episode list should go, is not constructive. Adding content you stole from another website, is not constructive. "If any one comes to the show and doesn't find a plot, nobody would understand anything." You still seem confused about what a "plot" is, and I'm not sure that repeating myself is helping, but I'll note once more that that entire wall of text that describes far too much about the series, is a plot summary. And, if anybody bothered to read it, they would understand something about the show. It's just far too detailed. What I think you are trying to say, is that the show's premise should be presented in the form of a "log line". There is no restriction on you adding this content, provided that you put it in a place where it makes sense, like in a standalone Premise section, which would probably belong above the Series overview section. The heavier article protection was lifted five days ago, so I'm not sure what you're complaining about; you have been able to edit the article for five days. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:33, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb:, List of stories is there in this article Vighnaharta Ganesha, that is against the community? How, then does the article exists from 3 years? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivaanmathur (talk • contribs) 03:20, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

@Vivaanmathur: Congratulations on discovering that there are a lot of really shitty articles that exist in the context of Indian entertainment. If you have questions about how to navigate this really problematic, highly promotional area, please let me know. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:34, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Your comment does not sound civil. In these 3 years I know at least this much about Wikpedia and you claiming to be an old user (telling everyone they are 'new and wait until they get the hang of here') is writing comments which in no way sound civil. Nice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivaanmathur (talk • contribs) 13:25, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

What does season 2.5 resemble there is no any season 2.5 in any of the serial go and check in every serials. There is no any official news about season 2.5. it is season 2 only but it is twisted with the villian of kal lok. We are not allowed to name it as season 2.5. it does not give season. And about plot there are lots of people who do episode wise summary instead of adding the plot section which you have added you need to summarize the plot written down. Jenifree (talk) 03:09, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

@Vivaanmathur:What does season 2.5 resemble there is no any season 2.5 in any of the serial go and check in every serials. There is no any official news about season 2.5. it is season 2 only but it is twisted with the villian of kal lok. We are not allowed to name it as season 2.5. it does not give season. And about plot there are lots of people who do episode wise summary instead of adding the plot section which you have added you need to summarize the plot written down. Jenifree (talk) 03:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

@Vivaanmathur: you can also see alladin nam toh suna hoga page to know about season and what does plot mean Jenifree (talk) 03:20, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay, then. @Jenifree:. The notion about seasons I had was from an August edit of Aladdin - Naam Toh Suna Hoga which is recently changed. That's alright, but please add back the content to season 2. Vivaanmathur (talk) 17:53, 2 January 2021 (UTC)Vivaanmathur

Official Synopsis

https://sabtv.com/en_in/shows/250/baalveer_returns It is recommended to keep official synopsis. Though this is old, and based on first few episodes, which is why the current one should be retained as well with a few morphs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.179.150.112 (talk) 17:15, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for informing this and talking about it in the talk section. I have fixed the issue. As per Cite:Web template the citations have also been added. Vivaanmathur (talk) 17:33, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't know what the OP is requesting, but we can't copy content from other sources and add it at Wikipedia. Prose must be written from scratch in our own words. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:15, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Removal of Mahabali, Akal and Mand from Recurring Cast

Since Baalveer Returns has now shifted to weekly stories, every week new temporary characters are supposed to come. They are not supporting characters because they are not part of the show. They are primarily used as a replacement of non-living 'weapons' as used in Season 1. These, should be given as Cameo appearances instead of Recurring, since they are NOT part of the continous show. It needs to be understood how the way the show goes. Every week a new story comes. Just like how Aladdin cast had come for a week, it didn't make them a part of the show. They rather came as guest appearances who have nothing to do with the main story but only with the particular story GOING ON. It is not like Baal Veer. Also, in Baal Veer's page we can see two guest appearances. Bharti Singh was not part of the cast of Baalveer, neither main nor supporting. She was just a guest. Same thing applies to Mahabali, Akal or Mand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivaanmathur (talk • contribs) 17:49, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2021

Originally broadcast (India) 2409:4064:E97:E290:951B:708E:8927:AB78 (talk) 05:35, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JavaHurricane 05:40, 1 July 2021 (UTC)