Talk:Arthur Francis (rugby)

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Hull, or Hull Kingston Rovers?

The Arthur 'Bolla' Francis page at stats.allblacks.com states "…then Hull with whom he won a Rugby League Cup Final Medal". However, the past-players page at hullfc.com has only two Francis', which are Alfred Francis, and Roy Francis. Neither Hull F.C., or Hull Kingston Rovers won the Challenge Cup in this era, but both clubs won the Rugby Football League Championship, Yorkshire League, and Yorkshire Cup in this era. Could it be that Arthur 'Bolla' Francis played for Hull Kingston Rovers? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 11:13, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

According to the main source used in this article, no one with the surname of Francis played for Hull K.R. between 1883 and 1983.^[1] I can not vouch for the book's complete authenticity, but I am not aware of a more comprehensive record of players between those years.

^ Ulyatt, Michael E. (1983). Hull Kingston Rovers - A Centenary History 1883-1983 (1st ed.). North Ferriby: Lockington Publishing Co. Ltd. p. 133. ISBN 0-905490-24-X.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:53, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Amalgam of Arthur Francis, and Alfred Francis?

The user User:MichaelWBaxter added the following passage… "Alf Francis the Hull Rugby League player has no connection to the aforesaid Arthur Francis. He was a winger born in Treherbert and signed for Hull FC. He made his debut on 1st September 1910 and made 247 appearances scoring 166 tries and 2 goals. He toured Australia and New Zealand in 1913/14 scoring six tries in three appearances before being injured. He represented Wales twice v. England 15 February 1913 and 14 February 1914, scoring one try in the latter. He was a try scorer in the !914 Challenge Cup Final when Hull beat Wakefield 6-0. Alf married my Grandfather's sister Emma and passed away in the sixties." I've removed it because it wasn't referenced, but the assertion that the Arthur Francis article is an amalgam with Alfred Francis should be investigated. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 18:32, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that it's the stats.allblacks.com reference… Bolla Francis #134 that is the origin, i.e. '…then Hull with whom he won a Rugby League Cup Final Medal', According to hullfc.com the only Francis playing for Hull at the time of the 1914 Challenge Cup was a wing named Alf Francis, presumably this is Alfred Francis, and therefore the stats.allblacks.com reference would appear to be incorrect. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 14:17, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Ulyatt, Michael E. (1983). Hull Kingston Rovers - A Centenary History 1883-1983 (1st ed.). North Ferriby: Lockington Publishing Co. Ltd. p. 133. ISBN 0-905490-24-X.

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