Talk:Angelina Veneziano

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Date	Process	Result
November 18, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on November 19, 2012.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that former American Idol contestant Diana DeGarmo co-wrote a song entitled "Good Goodbye", which she performed as her character Angelina Veneziano on The Young and the Restless?

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Page should be merged into The Young and the Restless characters (2011)...

...for all the same reasons as listed here.Cebr1979 (talk) 19:17, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: You are using reasons from a December 2011 3-sentence discussion, for a page that wasn't even properly written, over this article, a GA? That's extremely lazy, and that is not even relevant to this article. Your clear personal agenda here aside, there is no problem with this article nor the character having one. The character was a contract role, regardless of how long. Her characterization is notable for her being over-the-top (in comparison to other characters) and bringing a musical element to the soap. Her storyline was notable: she faked a pregnancy, got married and started a music career in a few months. There is enough coverage on the character's storyline, personality, reception & casting etc for her to warrant an article. Not to mention, since December 2011, a lot has changed. A character doesn't always need to be long-standing or be on the show multiple years to justify having an article. Using opinions from 3 years ago is very redundant. There are so many stubs that could be merged with character lists (or worked on) yet you target this article (which has been a GA for over 2 years with no problems arising). — Ar re 05:29, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You do realise you just summed up every single notable thing about this irrelevant character in one little paragraph, right? She doesn't need her own page. And I don't have a "personal agenda." Stop with your accusations. They've long since grown tiresome.Cebr1979 (talk) 10:49, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: There is no reason given by the opening editor other than a case of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. This article has 25 sources and clearly passes WP:GNG. It was reviewed at WP:DYK and was accepted and promoted to the Wikipedia main page. It passed a good article review. This article has already proven itself on numerous occasions as having the content of a stand-alone article accepted by the wider Wikipedia community.Rain the 1 09:50, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well.. there's also the fact that, of the 7 billion + people living on Earth, only about 1000 probably know who she is. And, of that 1000, only 2 care.Cebr1979 (talk) 10:41, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – The GNG has been met for the character of Angelina Veneziano, and there are also other character pages that much less notable that continue to be ignored in the high-standard that should be held for character profile pages. And as previous stated, it has received a GA passing review, which is excellent, especially for a soap article, and should be applauded! Real-word, third-party content has been established for the character and should remain as its own stand along article. It should also be noted that when the Sofia discussion came into play — which was between myself and a former editor — this is how the article looked, void of third-party real-world notability content and was filled with full and fancruft storyline plot. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 15:37, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's been three days so I'll agree with you all that the page should remain. Although... the next time the word "notability" is thrown at me, I will have this conversation to refer to because... "as long as there's a source and the spelling is correct... we're good to go."Cebr1979 (talk) 02:40, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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