Talk:America: Imagine the World Without Her

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CinemaScore "suspect"

The CinemaScore for this film was very positive. That should not be surprising to anyone who has read the Wikipedia CinemaScore article which clearly explains what Cinemascore does and what their score means. Cinemascore survey opening weekend audiences, a self selected group of people most likely to enjoy the film. It is not any kind of objective evaluation of the quality of the film, it is a poll to see if the film met audience expectations. If in doubt you can read the Cinemascore article again. If editors feel it is absolutely necessary they could briefly explain what Cinemascore means again here in this article to give readers some context.

The CinemaScore article also explains "The distributor of a film that opens in fewer screens can optionally contract with CinemaScore for a private survey, whose result would be disclosed only to the client." It is already known that Cinemascore does surveys that are not necessarily disclosed to the general public. Unfortunately it seem as if people have not read the CinemaScore article, and instead of exercising some editorial discretion they have given WP:UNDUE weight to a very uninformed comment from "Film School Rejects" who said the film is "not a film to be found in CinemaScore's listings on its own site, which is strange (and possibly suspect)." If you understand CinemaScore this is not "suspect" and should not come as any surprise.

There is no need for this encyclopaedia giving undue weight to a silly uninformed comment from Film School Rejects. Editors should be able to properly explain what CinemaScore means if necessary. There are plenty of ways to dump on this partisan polemic in other ways without resorting to a "suspect" source that does not seem to understand how CinemaScore works. This encyclopaedia would be better if it chose not to quote this misinformed comment from Film School Rejects. -- 109.79.178.97 (talk) 10:42, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if it was deliberate scaremongering or an unfortunate failure to understand how Cinemascore works, but I have gone ahead and removed misleading the scarequotes claim from Film School Rejects that the Cinemascore was in any way "suspect".[1] Just because they don't understand how Cinemascore works does not mean that editors of this encyclopedia should repeat their mistake. If editors still think the Cinemascore grade needs better context and explanation but it is no surprise at all that the self selected opening weekend audience had a positive opinion of the film. We have plenty of reviews from critics to indicate what most everyone else thought of it. -- 109.79.164.114 (talk) 21:37, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cinemasore A+ grades are rare, that is a statement supported by reliable sources and there is references included to support it. There is no need to overqualify the fact by also adding that "The Wrap identified it as rare" which is like inserting "According to" in front of everything to foster doubt, so I have removed it too.[2] Again CinemaScore grades are about marketing not quality, they indicate that audiences got what they were expecting, so it is pointless to quibble over how rare it is to get an A+ grade. -- 109.76.194.173 (talk) 22:37, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]