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A fact from Amalberga of Temse appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 January 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that Saint Amalberga of Temse(pictured) is the patron saint of upper-limb injuries, because of the legend that Charlemagne broke her arm while trying to force her to marry him?
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Overall: Article looks good, was interesting to read. Think it could do with some copyediting, as some of the sentences are quite long and loose, but it's still readable. Only things flagged by Earwig's tool are clear, attributed quotes. The hooks are also interesting, although I think the ALT0 hook twists the story a bit and doesn't make it clear that this is a fantastical story from a hagiography. I prefer ALT1. Grnrchst (talk) 16:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Grnrchst I would suggest that the hook (and the article) should make it clear that the Charlemagne incident is also a legend: the Cureus source refers to the legend of the assault inflicted upon her by Charlemagne.
Thanks for providing this ALT1a hook, I'd definitely approve of this. In any case, I think the hook needs to make it clear that this is a legend, not a necessarily true story. --Grnrchst (talk) 17:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Figureskatingfan: I don't think we should say on the main page that was rescued by a bear and a sturgeon while trying to escape from Charlemagne in WP:WIKIVOICE as those are seriously contested assertions and should not be stated as facts. The article lead has similar problems. Williams et al acknowledge that Hagiographies are notoriously enigmatic sources for academics. Possibly adding "according to legend" would resolve this, per Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 188#P7 3 January. If sources allow it would be useful to separate out the history from the legend as in Saint Ursula. TSventon (talk) 06:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is an interesting article in French about the sources in
Thx for the input. I have to confess that I did not read that part of the talk page before making the edit. In order to keep the sturgeon in the lede, you would have to show that that particular legend is widely considered to be one of the most important things about Amalberga. I doubt it, but maybe you have access to some sources that would clarify the question. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 23:10, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know you all can read but just in case the subtext isn't clear, 16 layers below the legend that has come down to us, this is a true story about a woman, some woman somewhere, who survived a rape during which her arm was broken by the rapist. Which is to say, thanks to the authors of this article for surfacing it with the most recent scholarship on the narrative. I personally appreciate it. jengod (talk) 04:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Jengod, yes you are very correct. As the editor who improved this bio and brought it successfully through DYK and onto the main page, and as someone who has created and improved dozens of bios about female saints like Amalberga, I can tell you that it's a very common story. So many of the obscure female saints in history have had similar experiences: wanting to have their own bodily autonomy, not wanting to marry and instead devote themselves to their God, religious beliefs, and communities, and becoming a victim of violence. Often, although not in St. Amalberga's case, this is the reason why many of these women have become martyrs, those who have sacrificed all to live their own lives and make their own decisions and choices. Something that so many women have had to endure throughout history, for all kinds of reasons. We stand on the shoulders of giants, as Sir Isaac Newton has most famously said. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:28, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article looks good, was interesting to read. Think it could do with some copyediting, as some of the sentences are quite long and loose, but it's still readable. Only things flagged by Earwig's tool are clear, attributed quotes. The hooks are also interesting, although I think the ALT0 hook twists the story a bit and doesn't make it clear that this is a fantastical story from a hagiography. I prefer ALT1. Grnrchst (talk) 16:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)