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A fact from Akuşağı, Baskil appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 January 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the villagers of Akuşağı in Turkey have used their tractors to take tourists to a local attraction?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/January. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Akuşağı, Baskil.

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 10:19, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the villagers of Akuşağı in Turkey have used their tractors to take tourists to a local attraction? Source: Elazığ Yeni Haber
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Reineh
- Comment: ~~Note that the article is currently undergoing an AfD, so needs to be held until that is concluded.~~ Per this, the nomination may now proceed. --GGT (talk) 13:49, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by GGT (talk) and Styyx (talk). Nominated by GGT (talk) at 00:48, 26 December 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Passed DYKcheck and Earwig. Looks like you need a QPQ. How about a hook I think more interesting?
ALT1 ... that while looking for mushrooms a villager discovered the second canyon of Akuşağı? Source: Hürriyet

Thanks for the review and the ALT hook Chidgk1. I do have a QPQ, see above. I thought about the collecting mushrooms thing too, but in the end decided that the whole transporting tourists with tractors thing was more funky. That's in part because I'd heard variations of this sort of serendipitous discovery story before (e.g. Saklıkent Canyon), though, so I'm not too certain now. --GGT (talk) 23:25, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK approving original hook

Chidgk1 (talk) 06:23, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To T:DYK/P1

Nisanyan

@GGT nisanyanmap.com is not reliable when anyone can edit it and add info to the site. References are rarely given and sometimes contradict reliable academic references. Semsûrî (talk) 22:05, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And no way Nişanyan is able to verify every bit of info given by these users. Semsûrî (talk) 22:06, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, look a bit deeper and you'll find it's a bit more nuanced than that. I know this as these village articles have been a perennial topic on tr.wiki for 15 years now. Consequently I've myself obtained a copy of Nişanyan's book Adını Unutan Ülke from a library, and cross-checked with the website in the past. Essentially: Any third-party contributions to the website are clearly marked as such. Any unlabelled information comes directly from Nişanyan's own work and is generally verifiable from the book as well (although he has made minor changes to his transcription practice since). Any information labelled as "SN" has also been added by Nişanyan himself. So Nişanyanmap is a partly reliable source, any unlabelled information or anything labelled as "SN" are just fine to use, anything marked as a third-party contribution should clearly be avoided. I've obviously stuck to this when writing this article in the first place. This comes with the caveat that Nişanyan himself should be taken with a pinch of salt when it comes to controversial topics; he is, after all, not an established scholar. --GGT (talk) 22:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The nuance is good to know, thanks. Semsûrî (talk) 22:29, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GGT Just came across this discussion but couldn’t help but comment on it, because I think NişanyanMap’s reliability as source should be addressed. I think the note on the ethnicities below the historical names shouldn’t be taken as RS, because often times, it’s seemingly based on other users’ comments and lacks any references. I have also noticed over the time that those details were changed in some villages, so it’s definitely due to change, mainly because of the aforementioned fact (lack of references and other users’ input). I also believe that it’s better that we cite the given source for the historical or alternative names instead of the site. Ayıntaplı (talk) 22:55, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ayıntaplı, I think the problem here is that this is potentially controversial information so Nişanyan himself should ideally be cross-checked against other sources. But such information, if not entered by Nişanyan, is still clearly indicated as such, see this or this for a bunch of examples. GGT (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My point was that the ethnicity portion, which lacks signatures and is independent from the comments, should not be considered reliable, although possibly only Nişanyan is able to edit it, because it is based on other users’ input per one of Nişanyan’s blog posts, unless Nişanyan has specifically commented on it from his own perspective. In many places, it is also inaccurate, as I have spoken with villagers, found many old and new sources that contradict with what writes there.

On a different note, when it comes to the comments, there is also the problem that after Nişanyan set a paywall for editing privileges, many old comments by unsubscribed users lost their signatures and got tangled with Nişanyan’s own comments.

So, what’s left is the historical names, which we can separately cite, as there are clear references within the site. I hope I’ve made myself clear. Ayıntaplı (talk) 23:39, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]