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"Aiplane" listed at Redirects for discussion

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The redirect Aiplane has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 23 § Aiplane until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 22:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article title

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I have no particular problem with the article being written in American English, but surely the title ought to compromise between all forms of English, as Rail transport does. I would suggest Plane (aircraft) because "plane" is used in all forms of English. 89.240.242.229 (talk) 10:45, 16 June 2023 (UTC) Ban-evasion by WP:Sockpuppet investigations/TheCurrencyGuy 74.73.224.126 (talk) 14:26, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Plane" is a colloquialism or slang term, see WP:TONE: Formal tone means that the article should not be written using argot, slang, colloquialisms, doublespeak, legalese, or jargon that is unintelligible to an average reader; it means that the English language should be used in a businesslike manner.. - Ahunt (talk) 12:02, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then it ought to be moved back to Fixed-wing aircraft then, In all other forms of English "airplane" seems childish, and thus undermines WP:TONE. 89.240.242.137 (talk) 11:06, 17 June 2023 (UTC) Ban-evasion by WP:Sockpuppet investigations/TheCurrencyGuy 74.73.224.126 (talk) 14:26, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Airplane is the formal legal term used in American English, see https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-A/part-1/section-1.1. - Ahunt (talk) 13:34, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's not going to be moved because you think it's "childish", per WP:ENGVAR. Not everything has to be done the British way. There are plenty of articles on Wikipedia that use British spelling in the title, and plenty that use American spelling. It's done in the spirit of compromise so we don't waste time calling each other names to no avail, and arguing over which is more correct. BilCat (talk) 20:24, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Australian CAA, Canadian CAR and British CAA also spell the term out, as "aeroplane". See: https://www.casa.gov.au/licences-and-certificates/pilots/pilot-and-flight-crew-exams/pilot-exams/private-pilot-licence-aeroplane-exams, https://tc.canada.ca/en/corporate-services/acts-regulations/list-regulations/canadian-aviation-regulations-sor-96-433/standards/standard-724-commuter-operations-aeroplanes-canadian-aviation-regulations-cars and https://www.caa.co.uk/commercial-industry/aircraft/airworthiness/type-certificate-and-type-approval-data-sheets/part-21/approval-of-part-21-aeroplanes/. HopsonRoad (talk) 20:28, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I support keeping the current name. There seems to have been a move proposal back in 2018 if you look above in this page, keep it that way, unless you want to propose a move formally again. Fork99 (talk) 20:47, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't recommend a formal move proposal solely on the basis of TONE, as it's unlikely to succeed. The title has been settled for over 10 years, and we're just wasting time going over it again. There were nearly 10 years of dicussion on Talk:Fixed-wing aircraft about splitting off the airplane/aeroplane content, but it was never done due to the endless arugments of which spelling to use. Finally, one user was BOLD and split off the article to "airplane". And it's been here ever since. And it's going to stay, just like "aluminium" will never be moved to "aluminum", and so on with dozens of articles using British English titles. If "plane" were not ambiguous, as with "glasses", then it probably would be an option, despite it being jargon. But it isn't, so here we are. BilCat (talk) 20:57, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, that was me! I get to tell everyone I meet in real life that I not only wrote the article on cups, I also created the article on airplanes. (I would never, ever tell anyone that. But at least it's true!) Red Slash 01:05, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you did. I couldn't recall who it was, but remembered when I saw your user on my watchlist. BilCat (talk) 01:31, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yeah, aeroplane is definitely the official British/Canadian/Australian term, for sure. But that... uh... doesn't override WP:RETAIN Red Slash 00:56, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I concur. Mention of that term was only intended to suggest that "plane" did not comport with formal use! Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 02:12, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am simply proposing a total compromise which does not compromise TONE in this way. The most populous English-speaking country is India, which uses "aeroplane" as the full formal term (https://www.civilaviation.gov.in/sites/default/files/moca_002791.pdf.) 89.240.242.137 (talk) 06:19, 18 June 2023 (UTC) Ban-evasion by WP:Sockpuppet investigations/TheCurrencyGuy 74.73.224.126 (talk) 14:26, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
More people speak English in North America than in India, per List of countries by English-speaking population. That is likely to change within a few decades, but it hasn't yet. Also, you haven't established that anyone but you considers "airplane" to be childish. You have to at least make some effort at proving it a common view, and in more than one country, using reliable published sources.Given the evidence that above that "airplane" is gaining acceptance in Britain, I doubt it can be proven. Even then, you're probably wasting your time trying to do so. BilCat (talk) 07:14, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Let's not re-litigate aeroplane versus airplane. The former redirects to the latter and is included in the lead sentence. The choice between the two was decided by consensus. Sincerely, HopsonRoad (talk) 13:31, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Slightly off-topic, but "rain transport" is a distinctly British title. Americans would always use "transportation". Red Slash 00:41, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To further convolute the issue, there are countries, like Canada where I live, where the legal term is "aeroplane" but it is never used outside regulations and legal documents. By far the common term used here in speaking and writing is "airplane". - Ahunt (talk) 13:32, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2023

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I request for the “fuel” types to be changed from directing to the actual fuel (e.x hydrogen) to the airplanes that use that fuel(e.x hydrogen-powered airplane) 12.203.54.180 (talk) 01:17, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I meant Hydrogen-powered aircraft. 12.203.54.180 (talk) 01:18, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: The category is fuel. Hydrogen is the correct term to use, because airplanes do not run on "hydrogen-powered aircraft." It would be like the "fuel" section under "automobiles" instead of listing "diesel", listed "diesel-powered autos", which wouldn't work because automobiles don't run on "diesel-powered autos"  Spintendo  22:50, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2024

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I would like to edit one of the images ad replace it with an airliner. (talk) 15:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Please make your request for a new image to be uploaded to Files For Upload. Once the file has been properly uploaded, feel free to reactivate this request to have the new image used. Jamedeus (talk) 18:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revised Definition

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An airplane, also known as an aeroplane (British English), is a powered, fixed-wing aircraft designed for flight in the Earth's atmosphere. It is distinguished from other types of aircraft by the presence of wings that generate lift due to the aircraft's forward motion and the engines that propel it forward. Airplanes are crucial in modern transportation, allowing for efficient travel over long distances for passengers, cargo, and military purposes. They play a significant role in global connectivity and commerce.

Encyclopedia Britannica. (2022). Airplane. Retrieved from https://www.britannica.com/technology/airplane

Oxford English Dictionary. (2021). Aeroplane. Retrieved from https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/2060 TrentDevlin (talk) 01:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for suggesting a change to the lead of the article, TrentDevlin. Perhaps, in addition to suggesting revised text, you could discuss how it better summarizes the article than the current lead language. My thoughts are that "flight in the Earth's atmosphere" is both assumed, but perhaps constraining, since a future airplane might be designed for the atmosphere of another planet.
I like distinguishing it. That might be more simply accomplished with: "...is an aircraft with fixed wings that generate lift, when propelled forward by thrust from a jet engine, propeller, or rocket engine, whereas other aircraft rely on rotary wings or buoyancy for lift."
I feel that the remaining existing sentences in the first paragraph provide appropriate detail (which, however may become dated).
Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 21:21, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2024

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The "aeroplane" spelling is British only. And on the article it says "aeroplane" is Commonwealth. The article also states that "airplane" is North American. Canada is in North America and is also a member of the Commonwealth but uses the "airplane" spelling as well. So it should say: "An airplane (North American English) or aeroplane (British English)".Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). 2600:1700:14BE:E00:7902:3DAA:1ACF:9C27 (talk)

If you look at the banners at the top of this Talk page you will see one saying “This article is written in American English...” Dolphin (t) 23:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. It seems that "aeroplane" is standard in the UK, as well as Australia and New Zealand. As the linked article on Commonwealth English notes, Canada strays away from the Standard and I think a reasonable reader will assume that "North American English" will override any Commonwealth differences. – Isochrone (talk) 13:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2024

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I request that you change the “Commonwealth English” for “aeroplane” to “British English” because Canada is a member of the Commonwealth but doesn’t use “aeroplane”, it uses “airplane”. 2600:1700:14BE:E00:A10A:AAFF:D865:69B7 (talk) 22:55, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Dolphin (t) 05:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2024

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I request that you should write this article in BrE and change the article title to "Aeroplane". 2600:1700:14BE:E00:7902:3DAA:1ACF:9C27 (talk) 12:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: It's written in American English. You'll have to establish consensus to change it to British English (though I highly doubt that RFC would go through). ⸺(Random)staplers 16:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AIRPLANES

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How do airplanes fly? 2601:646:8701:E0:E52D:566A:FDD4:27B (talk) 19:49, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This talk page is for discussion of how to improve the article. Please be more specific, if you feel that it does not adequately explain how airplanes fly. Sincerely, HopsonRoad (talk) 21:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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