Talk:7 Rings/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: AppleWormBoy (talk · contribs) 21:49, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Hey, there. I'll be reviewing this article whether or not it's up to GA status. The song came out recently this year, so of course the information displayed in the article may be small. But hopefully, it will meet all of the criteria for good articles nonetheless. I'll see if I can get my analysis completed within a few days (or less). -AppleWormBoy (talk) 17:48, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Lead

• ""7 Rings" (stylized in all lowercase), is a song"..... Remove the comma between the right parenthesis and "is".
• Minimize the amount of countries in the part about the chart performances (for both number one and top 10 spots).
• "The song was written by Grande, Kaydence, Njomza Vitia, Tayla Parx and Victoria Monét alongside its producers Tommy Brown, Charles Anderson and Michael Foster, with the interpolation of "My Favorite Things" by Rodgers and Hammerstein." I feel as if the sentence has an unnecessary run-on. If you can separate the writing personnel and the interpolation parts into two sentences, that'd be great.

@AppleWormBoy: Comment the references for trap-pop and R&B in the infobox aren't needed as that information is stated in the article's body. Same with ref 5 in the lead; it can be mentioned as the second single in the Background and release section. --Kyle Peake (talk) 08:08, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Background and release

• Elaborate on the moment that Grande had the idea for the song through an encyclopedic tone.
• I think you should remove the duplicate "a friendship anthem" citation and transfer it to the "Composition and lyrics" section.

Composition and lyrics

• "Billboard magazine noted it's "the most hip-hop-leaning song Grande has released in the post-Sweetener era yet, with Grande almost rapping the song's verses""; add "that" before "it's" to make the sentence sound more complete, and either capitalize the "magazine" and italicize it, or insert the "The" before "Billboard magazine".

Commercial performance

• "In Australia, the song debuted at number one, becoming Grande's 3rd number one single." - add "in the country" after "single". Also expand further on Australian performance (just don't go WP:QUOTEFARM), or incorporate the short sentence into the previous paragraph.

Critical reception

• Segregate the positive, mixed, and negative reviews from each other.

Music video

• "The video begins with and intro and pick undertone, outside a house that involved other sounds such as police sirens and helicopters, while at the same time showing many women posing on cars and caressing each other." Grammatically incorrect. Here's a better sentence: "The video begins with a montage of pink objects, including a car and a bicycle; sounds of police sirens and helicopters can also be heard. At the same time, a group of women are shown posing on cars and caressing each other." Add in the source bracket from Pitchfork. >
• "The final change is of Grande in a room with green lights giving resemblance to Wicked". I didn't see any green lights while Grande was in the room by herself, but rather blue lights; the Wicked comparison is unneeded.
• "In conclusion it shows Grande saying "My bitches right here" which leads to the ending of the music video." Add in a comma after "In conclusion".

References

Controversy

• I think you should also add the cultural appropriation concerns from the music video by critics, but with an unbiased point of view, of course.

Release history

• Where are the references for the vinyl and cassette tape???

Links

• No dead links! Congrats on that. :)

Summary

This article is very well-sourced, but you must also address and fix my concerns aforementioned above. Thank you in advance. :) I will give you at least two days to respond with some sort of progress, but if not, I will put it on hold for a week. If you fail on the one-week time limit, then this nomination is null and void (hopefully, that won't be the case ;)). -AppleWormBoy (talk) 19:48, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

2nd Opinion

Hello, nominator and reviewer of 7 Rings

I have some concerns regarding certain sections. To begin with, there is no paragraph mentioning the Personnel or studios (taking into consideration the artist it will be easy to find). The Background and reception section of the music video have three paragraphs when it should be two and I'm pretty sure more information could be added to the reception.

However, what strikes me the most is the commercial performance. It only mentions the US, Uk, and Australia. The song has reached the top of other countries such as Canada, Finland, Hungary, Ireland, New Zealand and many more so I'm sure these countries or others could and should be mentioned along with a couple of certifications. The Critical reception only has four critics, I'm sure album critics and others can be found easily on the web taking only the song and also mentioned during an album review.

Moreover, the Composition and lyrics have more paragraphs than key information. The background and release section makes no mention of the release history, which is in the last section! This article needs massive re-work and more search and information in order to pass. Once such information is added, the lead will need a rework. It could use a sample of the song as it has caused controversy and could help it explain better or make a reference to the instrumental or lyrics or all the above three, but this is optional of course. No live performaces are metion, why is that? This should be failed, no way the nominator can make this become GA in a week, it may take months.

In conclusion, I hope this input is not ignored as it is vital to becoming a GA article. Yours truly, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:42, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Third opinion

I thought I'd add in something as well, but why is every country the song charted in mentioned in the lead, while nothing is mentioned about its critical reception? It think it's a little overkill to list every country. I also personally think almost every section could use some more expanding. The comp section looks like a bunch of bullet points that were thrown together, the background and release section is only three sentences total, and the critical reception section doesn't mention overall critical reviews of the song (i.e. positive reviews, mixed-to-positive reviews, etc.). It also only has four reviews total, which like MarioSoulTruthFan said, doesn't seem like enough. Also, what about live performances? Her Sweetener World Tour is currently well underway, and "7 Rings" is in the setlist, and I'm sure Grande has done other performances of this song live in the six months it's been since release as well. Overall, I think the article in its current state focuses too much on commercial performance rather than the actual song itself. I, like Mario, honestly believe this is not ready for GA status yet, and needs much more time before it's ready. I really hope you take our concerns into consideration. – zmbro _(talk) 04:20, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Comment @Zmbro: I agree with you, the article does need a lot of improvements before it is legitimately worthy of reviewing; think it is likely to fail at this point. It has overkill on commercial performance and shouldn't mention each country it went number one in when there's so many. --Kyle Peake (talk) 13:26, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Final decision

With consideration of the secondary opinions here on this thread, I've decided to fail this nomination for various reasons: the tour associated with the song is still active, and the song recently came out this year and therefore, it's too early to have ample information on it to render the article as GA status (as seen in multiple sections). Maybe try again in a few more months. -AppleWormBoy (talk) 15:06, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

AppleWormBoy Update the talk page of the article so this is known, otherwise it will still say on review at Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Topic lists/Music. The nominator or anyone else can re-nominate whenever it is appropriate if they wish to... --Kyle Peake (talk) 15:16, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

I removed the nomination from the topic list, and I already have the Failed GA Template included on the talk page. -AppleWormBoy (talk) 15:19, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

AppleWormBoy I see that now, but you hadn't at the time of my comment. It was like two minutes later though. --Kyle Peake (talk) 15:22, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Well, hopefully, that clears things up with us. :) -AppleWormBoy (talk) 15:23, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Yeah but next time, wait for the bot to remove it from the Good article nominations page after you have updated the talk page. --Kyle Peake (talk) 15:24, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

What I’ve been trying despite edit conflicts is that unfortunately, I was too busy in real life (I’m on vacay) to see it including opinions before I could address those properties. It’s probably a serendipitous thing though. Those points can be fixed and perhaps in the future, over time, it will be improved to the standards. As it’s one of the biggest songs of the year (so far) that’s vital. We shall see.Trillfendi (talk) 15:27, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

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