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The page being called 2024 Supercoppa Italiana is inappropriate and inaccurate and should be changed to 2024-25 Supercoppa Italiana. My rationale is that firstly, all the matches are held in 2025. Secondly and more importantly, the signage on the advertisement boards at the stadiums in Riyadh clearly labels it as 2025 Riyadh. Lastly, and most importantly, Lega Serie A which oversees and runs the competition brands it as 2024/25, which you can see here EA SPORTS FC SUPERCUP 2024/25. Plus, other creditable websites call it the 2024-2025 or 2024/25 Supercoppa. Rupert1904 (talk) 14:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here are more articles and posts from creditable websites including broadcasters and the clubs themselves to prove that this should be 2024–25:

Rupert1904 (talk) 14:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, it should not be 2024-25 at all. @Rupert1904: please restore everything. Also the previous edition was related to 2022-2023, but actually no move was made. There is no actual consensus to have the page moved. All this is reminding me of the Supercopa de España, which at the beginning had two years reported, then moved to one year displayed. I ping also @Snowflake91:. Island92 (talk) 16:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Teams that have won this competition are reported with the double year also when the super cup was played with two-teams format. Island92 (talk) 16:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That links calls the Supercoppa from last season as 2023-24. Rupert1904 (talk) 20:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Which is properly titled as 2025 Supercopa de Espana. Referring to this season's edition as the 2024 Supercoppa Italiana is totally incorrect. Rupert1904 (talk) 20:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Those sources you posted are kinda inconsistent and are also naming it simply "2024 Supercoppa Italiana" in other articles, for example One Football or Inter official website. The article on AC Milan also says "Juventus-Milan: partita Supercoppa Italiana 2024", but I cannot post a direct link for some reason. And we need secondary sources anyway, not Inter or Milan websites. Snowflake91 (talk) 16:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You read 2024-25 just because the tournament is played "during the 2024-25 season", but the supercup itselfs is related to 2024, as was the case until it was decided to have it played with four teams involved. Island92 (talk) 16:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure it is related to the 2023-24 season in that clubs qualify for this based on how they did in the Serie A and Coppa Italia during the 2023-24 season but it's held during the 2024-25 season, and more specifically in January 2025, and the organizers of the tournament (Lega Serie A) brand it officially as Supercoppa Italiana 2024/2025. 2024 Supercoppa Italiana is inaccurate for so many different reasons and just because another article in the past wasn't moved, doesn't mean this shouldn't. I am going by the official communication from the organizers of the tournament who call it 2024/2025 NOT 2024. 2025 even makes more sense than 2024 as Mediaset (the official TV broadcaster in the home country of Italy) label it on their website as Supercoppa Italiana 2025: Supercup. According to the Mediaset website, the 2024 Supercoppa happened last season. As for secondary sources, I linked to Sky Sports and One Football above. Rupert1904 (talk) 20:14, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Inter link you posted has a picture of the players celebrating last season's Supercoppa win with the words SUPERCUP RIYADH 2024 in the background. Clearly this season's edition cannot also be the 2024 Supercoppa. Rupert1904 (talk) 20:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I explain. Template:Supercoppa Italiana and Template:Supercopa de España. These two templates are similar. In 2019 the Supercopa de España was jumped, and returned with the 2020 edition under new four-teams format. Hence the template is correct. The Supercoppa Italiana has never jumped since 1988 and if you move the 2023 edition to 2024 or 2023-2024, and the 2024 edition to 2025 or 2024-2025 it doesn't make sense. For example, Lega Serie A called the 2022 edition as 2022-2023 (the last played with two teams) because, as always, "played in the 2022-2023 season". The page we have is simply 2022 Supercoppa Italiana, not 2022-2023, and the match was played in January 2023. Island92 (talk) 22:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then those pages should also be moved. It is factually incorrect and going against Lega Serie A to call this the 2024 Supercoppa Italiana. AC Milan just posted on their official instagram account celebrating the win calling it 2025 and highlighting their past super cup wins. You can see that here: History. Glory. Milan. We strive to have sourced accurate information on Wikipedia as a public encyclopedia and I am showing you that the organizers of the tournament, credible secondary sources, and the clubs themselves call this the 2024-25 edition and the 2025 title and you don't want to change the name of this article just because the other recent editions of the tournament are also inaccurately titled on wikipedia? It's ridiculous. This is not the 2024 Supercoppa Italiana and should not be called that. As I've indicated above, using the links you shared I might add, Inter Milan won the 2024 trophy last season. Rupert1904 (talk) 22:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because there is no consensus to make such changes just yet. Island92 (talk) 22:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This edition was the 37th of the tournament, played in the 2024-2025 season, and the final in 2025. You should not go against the practice if the 2022 edition, called by Lega Serie A 2022-2023, was played in 2023. Island92 (talk) 22:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your argument is since the other recent Supercoppa Italiana pages are incorrectly named, this one should be incorrectly named too. If the Lega Serie A called it 2022-23, then that is what we should call that edition too. Your argument goes against the encyclopedic nature of wikipedia, what the Lega Serie A calls this edition of the tournament, and what reliable sources refer to it as. Rupert1904 (talk) 23:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, then what about the 2020 edition played in January 2021 but despite that called by Lega 2020 and not 2020-2021 or just 2021 because the match played on 2021 date (hence winners could have claimed 2021 winners). This is inconsistency between editions by Lega themselves. Island92 (talk) 23:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If Lega Serie A called the edition played in January 2021 as 2020 and the winners as the 2020 winners then it should remain 2020. That has no bearing on this edition. It's not like I'm not asking you to change the 2015 Supercoppa Italiana held in August 2015 to 2015-16 Supercoppa Italiana. It's not inconsistent from Lega Serie A, they've just changed what they have called the tournament as it's evolved from historically a two team super cup to start the season in August into a four team tournament in January over the last few seasons. The official communication from the league is that this is the 2024-25 edition and that AC Milan are the 2025 winners. Meanwhile, last season was the 2023-24 edition and Inter were the 2024 winners. Putting Milan as winners in 2024 on the AC Milan article or on their player articles is categorically wrong and goes against what the Lega Serie A is telling us this edition was. This is not the 2024 Supercup which Lega Serie A has made very clear by all of their communication. Rupert1904 (talk) 08:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And here are more links following Milan's win last night from the organizers and the winners, all calling it the 2025 title:
Rupert1904 (talk) 09:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And what about of a tournament held in August in the future (four teams involved) and final in August. Will you call it with the double year? It's incosistency. Island92 (talk) 09:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We’re not dealing with possible, theoretical what ifs in the future. That’s not the point of Wikipedia. We can play the what if game all day but that’s not productive and not how to properly edit and improve Wikipedia articles. We deal with facts and credible sources and the fact is this is not the 2024 supercoppa. You are being stubborn and ignoring the fact that the league calls this the 2024-25 edition and that Milan are the 2025 winners. I’m going by official communication from the league who organize the competition. I’m not going by my personal opinion on what I think looks or sounds better. Rupert1904 (talk) 11:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, the point is that there should not be incosistency between editions despite how Lega Serie A call each. It is not up to be stubborn or not. All winners are indicated with the double year, also when the competition had one year in the name and played within the year. Island92 (talk) 12:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is stubborn and it is incorrect and not backed by credible sources. The format of the competition changed and it’s now a four team tournament held in the following calendar year and Lega Serie A calls it 2024-25 in all of their official communication and branding. Things change and evolve all the time. Leagues and cups move from being in a calendar year to an autumn-spring season and vice versa and correspondingly, we edit Wikipedia to reflect that. For example, it happened in Serie A/Italian championship moving from a calendar season to an autumn-spring schedule after 1909, the German champions pre-Bundesliga era were within a calendar year but since the advent of the Bundesliga in 1963, it’s been autumn to spring. The Svenska Cupen changed from calendar year to autumn-spring following the 2011 season. This happened with the Russian Premier League after the 2010 season as well. There are so many other examples in football where the format of the competition has changed and then we accurately name new editions of the competition to reflect this change. This article should not be titled 2024 just because you find naming it otherwise would be inconsistent. This should be moved to 2024-25 based on the fact that organizers call it 2024-25 in every announcement, article, and video and that Milan announced themselves as the 2025 winner not 2024 winner. Rupert1904 (talk) 13:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is original research. You don't know if in the future the tournament with this new format can be held within the year anyway. How will Lega Serie A call it then? Single year in the title or double year? The tournament has the right to be held other than current January window per other competitions schedules. There is no consensus to make changes. I brought this talk to the Wiki Project Football to make other users aware of it. Island92 (talk) 13:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, we don't deal with future theoretical possibilities. We deal with facts and sources. Rupert1904 (talk) 13:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, some sources claim a thing, other another thing. Island92 (talk) 14:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not true. The one source you've provided (which again is the Lega Serie A website) has Milan as the 2024-25 winners and Inter as the 2023-24 winners. Rupert1904 (talk) 17:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Snowflake91: what do you think about all this? This talk has gone on too much in my opinion. Island92 (talk) 17:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know, the sources are inconsistent as I posted above so both versions are technically correct, but I would prefer the current version (just 2024 and not 2024–25) solely for consistency with the previous editions. Snowflake91 (talk) 18:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully, you are both missing the point. It's not about our personal preferences or opinions about what we think sounds or looks better or if it's consistent, it's about the facts. The format of the tournament has changed thus we change the new articles accordingly. 2024 is not correct whatsoever and there is no consensus to keep 2024. That name has been wrong since the article was created. The organizers of the competition call this edition 2024-25 and call Milan the 2024-25 winners. Milan call themselves the 2024-25 winners. That is fact and has been incredibly consistent throughout and we should follow the lead of Lega Serie A. Consistency has no bearing on this as the competition has changed format. Again, I have linked to many other examples where this has happened in football leagues and cups, both on this talk page and in WikiProject talk. Also, the two sources you shared earlier are older articles and both One Football and Inter Milan corrected that mistake in more recent articles, which I have linked to previously. Please see the latest at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Supercoppa_italiana. Rupert1904 (talk) 19:30, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 January 2025

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– To formalise the discussion above, which is just turning into an edit / move war. WP:OFFICIALNAME (which is not necessarily the WP:COMMONNAME) for the tournament includes the multi-year. Spike 'em (talk) 19:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I am currently neutral to this proposal, but rather than exhort against move wars, I've taken the shortcut of starting the RM for the disputing editors. Spike 'em (talk) 19:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment My opinion already given above. Despite multiple sources claiming the multi-year (by Lega Serie A the organizers first and foremost), the tournament assumes this name as held during the "2024-2025 season". All winners are indicated with the double year, also when the competition had one year in the name and played within the year. Examples. The 2020 edition was held on 20 January 2021, Lega Serie A did not call it 2020-2021 Supercoppa Italiana. Source. The 2021 edition was held on 12 January 2022 and Lega Serie A did call it 2021-2022 Supercoppa Italiana. Source. Since this last edition Lega Serie A has assumed the multi-year name in the Supercoppa Italian title. Hence I see incosistency by Lega Serie A themselves. Here on Wikipedia I'd rather see it more correct to display one year in the name, as has been the case since the first edition in 1988.--Island92 (talk) 20:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rupert1904 (talk) 20:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Primary sources from Inter / Milan websites, especially things like printing on AC Milan shirts from their own shop, are completely irrelevant for article title. Almost all those listed sources are primary, and the ones that are not (like AlArabiya or Footballinsides (which is a blog anyway, and not reliable)) are actually calling it "2025 Supercoppa Italiana", not "2024–25 Supercoppa Italiana", so it needs to be moved to 2025 Supercoppa Italiana if anything. Snowflake91 (talk) 20:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move & Comment I think there are sufficient official sources from the League itself as to the correct name of the competition, how far back such changes should go is open to debate but there's certainly official content there to suggest the opening sentence should reflect its official name in addition to its sponsored version in all cases where applicable. 18-19, 19-20, 19-20, 20-21,21-22, 22-2323-2424-25. The significant weight of sources calling it either 2024-25 and/or 2025 makes 2024 the least compatible name. However we should be clear that competitions or finals being called specific year may be done so for marketing reasons, so there is no harm in the first sentence using both 24-25 and 2025 i.e. the "Supercoppa Italiana 2024/25, branded as the EA Sports FC Supercup 2025" and a redirect from EA Sports Supercup 2025 (and similar) is probably in order. Koncorde (talk) 23:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Primary source lists every single edition as seasonal anyway, so if we're gonna use official sources then every single article from 1988 Supercoppa Italiana onwards needs to be moved to this format for consistency, there is absolutely no point of moving only the most recent edition then and leaving all others the way they are. Snowflake91 (talk) 10:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He's right. In the past (1988-2019 to be correct) all winners were indicated with the single year. Since the tournament played in January at most the seasonal title has been adopted, and past winners are now matched with this practice. We don't know in the future whether the tournament will have the January window or not per calendar congestions and so on. How will Lega Serie A call the edition? Will we have moved again all the articles to their original name by then? There have been 37 editions of the tournament per continuity since 1988, and all editions have been held since. Island92 (talk) 10:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again this speculation is CRYSTAL and we do not aim to speculate or predict potential future changes on Wikipedia. You’re missing or ignoring the main point of the issue - the Lega Serie A and Milan call themselves the 2025 winners for beating Inter. They are not called the 2024 winners. That means leaving as 2024 is incorrect and also just creates more confusion for interested readers and editors alike since it doesn’t match the official communication from the league. We wouldn’t call Liverpool the 2024 winners of the Premier League if they go on to win the league this season. Rupert1904 (talk) 12:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I know, crystal but possible, as confirmation that since 1988 the tournament has been played in different dates/years to find out a suitable matchday window. To continuity with that, I'd rather read one year in the title. Island92 (talk) 14:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is a reason to keep historic number formats: they were historically called that because the competition was until the last 5 years a pre-season competition (even when hosted after the turn of the year) and we will find reliable sources to describe those cups in those years (Almanacs, news articles, sports review books etc). This is less well supported / consistent for most recent editions with some news articles using the old naming / numbering format, most non-official sources continuing to use the unbranded competition name etc. A lot of sources, (particularly English sources) such as the BBC, don't even mention any numbering convention at all.[1][2][3][4] so I think we probably need to look to specifically Italian sources to help (the few provided here are not intended to be exhaustive, nor a suggestion we use Sky alone).[5][6][7][8][9][10]
The reason to support the change today (and perhaps recent seasons) is because there is both a clear change by the organisation both in the official naming and sponsoring, but also the format and timing. This arrangement runs until at least 2029. It's possible the arrangement could change entirely in the future. This is, however, not an argument against changing but instead about establishing the criteria about what stays as it is - and what initiates a change in the future.
There are more complex sporting changes wikipedia has had to deal with, Rugby League being an obvious one - which shifted its entire calendar from Winter to Summer and has repeatedly alternated between a straight league competition to a play-off & final system per List of British rugby league champions for over 120 years. This means (strictly speaking) while Leeds won the 95-96 edition (1995–96 Rugby Football League season) they were ousted within 6 months by Saints in the 1996 Super League season and it is taken in stride by followers of the sport. Koncorde (talk) 15:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 18:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - from a quick glance of sources/discussion above. GiantSnowman 18:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support 2024–25 Supercoppa Italiana; the article on the final should be 2025 Supercoppa Italiana final. In my opinion it is very straightforward. This is an encyclopedia and should be providing straightforward facts to the reader. This competition was part of the 2024–25 season and should be titled as such. The final was played in 2025 and should be titled as such. If the 2025–26 final happens to be played in 2025 as well, the articles can be suffixed with the month (there are numerous precedents for this, the most obvious in my mind being in the Scottish League Cup which has changed its schedule numerous times with some calendar years having no finals and some having two, and it's all sorted out with minimal fuss). This should apply to all the four-team tournaments for the Italian and Spanish competitions. It's unfortunate that previous two-team finals have been played outwith the named calendar year but in each case this has been adequately explained and is not really the same as the expanded versions which are a simple matter of scheduling, and in my opinion readers will easily understand the difference in naming conventions to accompany the difference in formats, as opposed to finding the names to be misleading in order to align with the older format, as is currently the case. Titling an article with a single year when none of it occurred in that year (and there are no extenuating circumstances such as Covid delays) is farcical. Crowsus (talk) 22:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Bit confusing, you say "Strong Oppose" but the content of your comment doesn't reflect that - you agree it should change, you agree the competition is 2024-25, but think the article for the final should be 25? Can you clarify because otherwise it looks like a rejection of both changes to any passer-by or independent admin. Koncorde (talk) 00:50, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What is confusing about it? I support the main competition article being 2024–25 Supercoppa Italiana; I do not support the article for the final being 2024–25 Supercoppa Italiana final as this is not how finals are titled anywhere. Crowsus (talk) 09:46, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The proposal is for two changes as both articles are currently "2024". By stating "Strongly oppose" you are giving the impression of rejection of the entire proposal, rather than a suggestion of an alternative even though you agree with the principle that 2024 is fundamentally incorrect in both cases. Koncorde (talk) 09:54, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, now amended. Crowsus (talk) 12:00, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I support this alternative suggestion - in-line with e.g. 2022–23 FA Cup and 2023 FA Cup final, which both relate to the same tournament. GiantSnowman 08:45, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - is there also support to change last season's edition to 203-24 Supercoppa Italiana and 2024 Supercoppa Italian final (if we keep the separate final article) given the format change and support from sources? Rupert1904 (talk) 17:35, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think it should be taken this applies to this years format only for the moment, but I think it's obvious there are questions about how far back this change should go (likely all 4 club format) and should be considered for Spain also. Koncorde (talk) 18:42, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Spain should not be moved. Since 2020 (four-teams format established) editions are called Year Supercopa de España. Source for the 2025 edition called 2025 Supercopa de España that follows the continuity since 2020. Island92 (talk) 13:23, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If Spain has already had it considered then that's fine, I was just confirming that was the case. Koncorde (talk) 12:28, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to skip Spain as I agree it's not directly part of this proposal and they have managed to follow a consistent schedule (everything after new Year) and name history for their tournament, although I do feel it would be more helpful to readers if the article title here included the season to remove all doubt, and it would be neater if the Italian and Spanish tournaments used the same format as they are now virtually the same, other than the awkward timings for the Supercoppa that brought about this issue. But for now certainly, no problem here, lets ignore Spain and focus on Italy - I do think it should apply to every four-team edition if adpoted. Crowsus (talk) 21:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The focus of the question is wrong here. The topic of the discussion should not be about the last Supercoppa italiana (2024 or 2024–25), but, in case, about the Supercoppa italiana in general. So either you change the name of all the previous editions (starting from the first) or you keep things exactly as they are now, maintaining each edition name with the single year reference (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, etc. until 2024).

Also, please note that for AC Milan official website it is "Supercoppa italiana 2024": https://www.acmilan.com/it/club/palmares/supercoppa-italiana-2024 - --178.232.193.175 (talk) 10:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, this such important to consider. Island92 (talk) 21:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's no requirement to change historic trophies, there are plenty of reliable sources describing those as of / from the specific year in question in those articles, and people know those competitions as that name. The question proposed is really applicable only to recent editions of this same trophy. Koncorde (talk) 12:28, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The question proposed is really applicable only to recent editions of this same trophy. Ok, we have sources stating one thing, other another thing. Who is correct then? Island92 (talk) 18:40, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If Milan has published this as both 2024 and 2025, which given the link above means they have now, then I think that is even more reason to name this as 2024-25 rather than one single year. And agree with Koncorde, the changes we are talking about only apply to the recent editions of the trophy NOT the historic ones that clearly should be a single year. Rupert1904 (talk) 17:07, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you move this page, then you have to move the last edition won by Inter Milan simply per consistency per since the four teams format was adopted. Island92 (talk) 18:14, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes that is my point. Lega Serie A calls Inter Milan the 2024 champions as do Inter Milan themselves. Rupert1904 (talk) 22:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion it is completely wrong to think to change the "name" of the trophy only for the last edition. The "Supercoppa italiana 2024" is the same competition of the "Supercoppa italiana 2023", the "Supercoppa italiana 2022", the "Supercoppa italiana 2021", etc. Please note that the organizers (Lega Serie A) have never stated that the competition would change its name from this specific last edition. Therefore changing the name of the last edition only would be a stretch and a mistake. As already mentioned, either you change the name of all the previous editions or you keep things as they are now.--178.232.193.175 (talk) 14:03, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Island92 (talk) 17:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No. That's over reach and doesn't make sense and is not in line with the contemporary sources of those editions. The format of the competition has changed in the last few years as has the branding. Thus we change the names of the most recent editions to reflect this new branding from the Lega Serie A. As stated multiple times over, it's following the same pattern that we use in many other leagues and cups when the format changes and they move from a calendar year to August-May schedule and vice versa. We do not need to overthink or over complicate it. Rupert1904 (talk) 22:56, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry but this reply is quite superficial. Yes, the format of the competition has changed in the last two editions, but not the official name, and indeed there is no correlation between the format and the name.
It seems that you are taking your sources from social media or communication campaigns. What matters are the official documents or the websites of the organizers (Lega Serie A) and the football teams, and we have seen that the organizers of the competition have kept the same type of name for all the editions of the competition, since the first one. 178.232.193.175 (talk) 19:54, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am taking it directly from Lega Serie A who organize the competition and call this edition either 2024-25 or 2025 but never 2024. Rupert1904 (talk) 12:10, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Simply because Lega Serie A refers to the season when the tournament (two teams format or four) is held. Il successo mancava ai rossoneri dalla stagione 2016/17.. AC Milan had won the edition before this in the 2016 Supercoppa Italiana, held in December 2016. 2017 has nothing to do with the win, but despite that is mentioned as Lega Serie A now claims each edition with the multiple year. Or you move all editions or you move nothing. You cannot move the only editions since the introduction of the four teams format. Island92 (talk) 13:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes you can. The format has changed and the year in which the competition is held has been changed. Lega Serie A has updated the way they brand this as a result. They call this edition a mix of 2024-25 or 2025, Mediaset (the official broadcaster of the competition) calls this 2025, and Sky Sports Italy call this 2024-25. Never 2024! The link you shared above is from this edition. That furthers my argument that they are branding it differently now because of the format change. If you go back and look at contemporary sources from 2016, including from Lega Serie A themselves, you would see they called that edition simply the 2016 version and referred to earlier editions by a single year: La Lega Serie A e la Qatar Football Association annunciano con soddisfazione l'accordo per disputare nella Capitale del Qatar la Supercoppa TIM 2016.
The point of this is that we should follow what the contemporary sources of the time go with and the overwhelming majority, including the organizer, say 2024-25 or 2025 but never 2024. So keeping this edition as is will never be factually correct. Rupert1904 (talk) 14:46, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Never 2024? So why did Lega Serie A involve 2017 now when 2017 had nothing to do with Milan win at the time? Because they refer to this.Island92 (talk) 15:02, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Correct - never. Please show me where Lega Serie A refers to this tournament as the 2024 edition. Rupert1904 (talk) 16:49, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't found it. Show me a Lega Serie A source with a change in the name of the tournament. Island92 (talk) 17:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How many more sources do you need to show you that this should be 2024-25 or 2025? I've linked to loads above previously. You are the only person still holding out on this and believing it should be 2024. At this point we really do have a consensus to change it given all the support above. Rupert1904 (talk) 17:19, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You posted an amount of sources but not that claiming a change in the name of the tournament from Lega Serie A themselves. Island92 (talk) 19:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's baffling and stubborn of you to even make that claim. It's clear that the format of the tournament has changed, the date of when the matches are played has changed, and as a result, Lega Serie A is using new branding to name the editions.
And again, we have a consensus and strong support now to change the name of this article, so we will. Rupert1904 (talk) 20:43, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm claiming facts. Lega Serie A in 2020 calling the edition 2020 Supercoppa Italiana, but held in January 2021. Lega Serie A is incosistent with themselves. Island92 (talk) 22:24, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, you're not claiming any facts and you never have been. Additionally, Lega Serie A are not being inconsistent. That specific match was supposed to be held in December 2020 but was delayed to January 2021 due to COVID. Just like the 2020 Copa del Rey final was held in 2021 and many other tournaments were delayed because of the pandemic. The format of the super cup has subsequently changed in the last few years as well as the date in the calendar when it is held, so Lega Serie A reflected that in the new naming and branding of the competition. Rupert1904 (talk) 07:33, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Where is the source that confirms it was delayed? Island92 (talk) 10:16, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Everything was delayed in 2020 because of the global pandemic we lived through! The 2019-20 Serie A season didn't finish until August 2020. The Serie A season typically ends in May. So the 2020-21 Serie A season couldn't start until late September, when it usually starts in early to mid August. Lega Serie A has a deal with Saudi Arabia to host the Supercoppa in Saudi, which included the 2020 edition. They were forced to move the 2020 edition from Saudi back to Italy because of COVID travel restrictions and then had to select January 2021 because of the crowded mid-week fixture schedule during the autumn of 2020. And again, Lega Serie A called that edition 2020 so we should keep 2020. Just as in 2016, they called that the 2016 edition. But the format has now changed and they have named the most recent ones in official branding and communication as 2023-2024 and 2024-2025. You've provided no fact based or coherent argument to suggest this article should be kept as simply 2024, because the overwhelming majority of sources call this some mixture of 2024-25, 2024/2025, or 2025, and your arguments are always based in CRYSTAL. Enough is enough. Rupert1904 (talk) 13:38, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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