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Shouldn't the title of this page be Israel-Hezbollah ceasefire agreement? The deal is between Israel and Hezbollah, pretty sure its not with the Lebanese military as the current title could infer Schwinnspeed (talk) 05:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Schwinnspeed This isn't true I'm afraid. The deal is actually between Israel and Lebanon. Not Hezbollah. Hezbollah was just an observer to the treaty. Their support is assumed to be unofficial. Quoting from here: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/11/26/world/israel-hezbollah-lebanon-cease-fire?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

"The cease-fire is officially an agreement among Israel, Lebanon and mediating countries including the United States. Nabih Berri, the speaker of Lebanon’s Parliament, has been acting as a liaison with Hezbollah, and any deal was expected to include the group’s unofficial approval." Genabab (talk) 09:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whether it is an agreement negotiated between Lebanon and Israel or Hezbollah and Israel is somewhat unclear.

As far as I can see, most media outlets call it an agreement between Israel and Hezbollah. There has also been no real armed conflict between Israel and Lebanon. Hezbollah operates autonomous of the Lebanese Government, and the Lebanese Armed Forces (and UNIFIL) have not been able to enforce UN Security Resolution 1701 (which is supposed to prevent and stop attacks between Hezbollah and Israel). When Israel invaded southern Lebanon, the Lebanese defense forces withdrew to the north.

It is also completely unthinkable that Israel and Lebanon could reach an agreement that includes Hezbollah operations without Hezbollah also agreeing to this agreement. Hezbollah is a powerful faction in Lebanon. Even after this war. The Lebanese Government (and their armed forces) are not strong enough to enforce such a deal if Hezbollah doesnt also agree.

My opinion is that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Schwinnspeed is absolutely right. This is a ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hezbollah. They are the warring parties. Therefore it's natural that the ceasefire-deal also stands between them. Laddmeister (talk) 12:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

> It is also completely unthinkable that Israel and Lebanon could reach an agreement that includes Hezbollah operations without Hezbollah also agreeing to this agreement.

I understand that of course, but this is what reliable sources seem to say. @Laddmeister

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-hezbollah-ceasefire-deal-gaza-war-11-26-24-intl-hnk/index.html

"Though the 60-day ceasefire agreed by Israel and Lebanon stipulates that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) must withdraw completely from southern Lebanon, the return of the troops to Israel will not take place immediately."

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2024/11/26/lebanon-israel-lebanon-airstrikes/7561732633521

"After many weeks of tireless diplomacy, Israel and Lebanon have accepted a cessation of hostilities [...] Although Biden and Macron say the cease-fire is between Israel and Lebanon, Hezbollah, which is a designated foreign terrorist organization, is the organization against whom Israel declared war."

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/11/26/world/israel-hezbollah-lebanon-cease-fire?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

"The cease-fire is officially an agreement among Israel, Lebanon and mediating countries including the United States. Nabih Berri, the speaker of Lebanon’s Parliament, has been acting as a liaison with Hezbollah, and any deal was expected to include the group’s unofficial approval."

Even still, you are right to point out that most sources call it Israel-Hezbollah Ceasefire. But the page should still be edited in some way to make this nuance apparent Genabab (talk) 17:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aftermath

The claim that IDF forces opened fire on returning civilians is not supported by the linked source. The closest I can see is that there were warning shots fired. Please rephrase this 2601:645:8200:1C60:45BD:E3AE:70A8:F826 (talk) 16:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Chomik! (talk?) 19:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Hezbollah as a Party

Add Hezbollah as a party to the ceasefire agreement, otherwise who is the ceasefire even about? Must reflect the title. 74.71.4.108 (talk) 17:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hezbollah is not an actual party to the agreement. The title is that way as this is what sources are calling it. But the actual agreement is between Israel and Lebanon Genabab (talk) 18:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]