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The name should specify the location (2022 Abra earthquake)

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While the earthquake itself is situated on the island of Luzon, most sources specify the exact location of where the epicenter was located. While most generalizations just say it was in Luzon, the same logic can't be applied to other regions of the Philippines, or any other rural area in the world for that matter. Numerous other earthquakes that have been located within the Luzon mainland don't have the article name of Luzon but rather their rural names (e.g. 1968 Casiguran earthquake, 1973 Ragay Gulf earthquake and so on). So why can't we do the same for this article? Like I said, numerous sources state the name Abra so we could use that name rather generalizing more basic names.

Some sources:

- https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/27/22/magnitude-73-quake-jolts-abra-felt-in-metro-manila

- https://tribune.net.ph/index.php/2022/07/27/magnitude-7-3-quake-jolts-lagangilang-abra/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=magnitude-7-3-quake-jolts-lagangilang-abra

- https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/scitech/science/839527/magnitude-7-3-quake-jolts-abra-felt-in-metro-manila/story/

- https://www.rappler.com/nation/luzon/abra-earthquake-july-27-2022/ Moctiwiki (talk) 02:21, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Luzon earthquake is WP:COMMONNAME. Sources says an earthquake "struck Abra", none refers to "Abra earthquake. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 04:42, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That’s… literally the same thing. Also while yes it does go with commmon names, let’s take into account other earthquakes with less common names, should those be changed? 1968 Casiguran, 1970 Ragay Gulf, 1948 Lady Caycay? Moctiwiki (talk) 05:52, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not the same. "Abra earthquake" infers an event name. "an earthquake struck Abra" is a description of the event. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 05:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nonetheless, specific names for specific cited earthquakes should be recognized rather than normalizing much generalized names, that may spark confusion without specification. Also I have done some searching and multiple sources have mentioned '...Abra quake/earthquake' when referring to this event:
- https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2022/07/27/2198336/ndrrmc-one-fatality-reported-after-abra-quake-damage-assessments-ongoing
- https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2022/07/27/2198320/damage-households-establishments-reported-after-abra-quake
- https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2022/07/27/2198332/marcos-visit-abra-after-magnitude-70-quake
- https://mb.com.ph/2022/07/27/marcos-assures-assistance-for-abra-quake-victims/
- https://www.topgear.com.ph/news/motoring-news/lrt-2-mrt-3-suspend-operations-earthquake-a2619-20220727
and so on. Moctiwiki (talk) 07:48, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Common name is to make searching for the articles easier. FYI 1968 Casiguran is named LUZON1968 by the ISC. The impacts of this earthquake is well beyond Abra, so Luzon as a general name should be used. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 08:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I’m sure searching it with Abra as the name won’t be difficult to scavenge considering redirects, links and simple google auto searching can determine what event you're talking about with info context. And do tell me, why did they name the 2013 Bohol earthquake as such while damage was seen as far as Northern Mindanao? Moctiwiki (talk) 08:57, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Moctiwiki We are not here to discuss the naming convention of other articles in an attempt to nitpick the Luzon earthquake name. If you believe 2022 Luzon earthquake is not appropriate, start a discussion to rename the article. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 09:10, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can I also acknowledge the multiple foreign government agencies who also call the event as the ‘Abra earthquake’ Moctiwiki (talk) 09:05, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Moctiwiki I suggest, start a discussion to rename this article. See more information. Wikipedia:Requested moves HurricaneEdgar 09:13, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, this is already a discussion and while normally I would directly move this article to the 2022 Abra earthquake, I still would want to here some points that people make to contradict my point Moctiwiki (talk) 09:28, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nominate for ITN blurb?

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Should we nominate an ITN blurb about the earthquake and link it to this article? after all, it caused significant damages in affected regions.

hi im me Rc453632 05:11, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Put it on hold. Damage and casualties are minimal and may not meet ITN guidelines. I'd suggest waiting a while more. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 05:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Rc453632 The casualties have risen but not by much, though damage is extensive. At this time, you may nominate it for ITN. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 03:32, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 July 2022

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus is that Luzon is more in line with naming policy. Closed early per WP:SNOW. ––FormalDude talk 04:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC) (closed by non-admin page mover)[reply]

2022 Luzon earthquake → 2022 Abra earthquake – The article should be renamed to '2022 Abra earthquake' due to the fact that multiple sources use this name to specify this location when reffering to the epicenter, which is situated in the province. The name is also appropriate when being more specific on the location itself, reffering to the entire island would be simply confusing as not all of Luzon was affected from this event. And while yes, some other provinces were also affected other than Abra, calling it the Luzon earthquake would just be as unpractical, regions in the south of the island barely felt the earthquake. Moctiwiki (talk) 09:42, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Moctiwiki (talk) 09:43, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note that I have adjusted the indentation for the discussion below to use only asterisks instead of a mix of asterisks and colons, per WP:THREAD. ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ 💬 "What did I tell you?"
📝 "Don't get complacent..." 03:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC) [reply]


  • Oppose - COMMONNAME is key. Searching the exact phrase "Luzon earthquake" in Google turns up 38k hits, whereas the exact phrase "Abra earthquake" turns up only 6.k hits. Compare the two search terms in Google Trends.
  • Oh, and if we're gonna go with a COMMONNAME argument, here are a list of articles from reliable (mostly Philippine) sources that call it a "Luzon earthquake / quake". Note that I list a maximum of three articles per source.
"Luzon earthquake" articles
  • Here are the articles that call it an Abra earthquake/quake:
  • There has been an increase of info mentioning both titles but I have noticed that most sources state the name "Abra earthquake" since the past 12-24 or so hours so i'm just gonna place a few here (I'm also gonna add some articles mentioning the current name within the same timeframe):
  • Hang on I'm gonna add more soon as I skim the internet with visible media Moctiwiki (talk) 09:50, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (partly): I agree that the article could use a renaming, but Abra is too specific. 2022 Northern Luzon earthquake is a much better alternative name, since it specifies the affected area but people will still know where it is. MagikMan1337 (talk) 03:35, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I strongly agree on this idea. At least we can give even more context on the location of this event rather than blatantly pointing our a large island spanning all directions. Moctiwiki (talk) 10:41, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose Luzon earthquake is WP:COMMONNAME. HurricaneEdgar 03:52, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • As people have said multiple times, Luzon is a large island, with different regions with different familiarities. Renaming it to something like 2022 Northern Luzon earthquake can more than enough help the viewer identify the accurate and precise location rather than letting them figure out themselves without any context on Philippine political borders Moctiwiki (talk) 10:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      @Moctiwiki If we use the Northern Luzon earthquake, the northern luzon one that was hit by the earthquake. Google search terms: 2022 Luzon earthquake (about 770,000), "2022 Northern Luzon earthquake." (about 277,000) see Google Trends for comparison. HurricaneEdgar 11:23, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Source relativity is a thing when searching in Google. Even if you get the largest difference in titles, you can still have a large chance of getting the article you are looking for. Northern Luzon and Luzon are a word different from each other so even if you searched 2022 Luzon earthquake, the title of 2022 Northern Luzon earthquake can still show up. Moctiwiki (talk) 13:05, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      If this is your argument, I don't see a pressing need to add "Northern" into the title. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 14:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Even if the searcher types on the name Luzon earthquake, they wiuld wonder where in Luzon did the earthquake occur, so adding a small context clue such as adding "Northern' can greatly help the viewer learn a buit more information on this event. Also this is obviously not my main argument here. Moctiwiki (talk) 01:13, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Abra is a less recognizable article name plus Luzon is a more universal name; if you check news articles from worldwide agencies Luzon is used more rather than Abra since Abra is too localized. Philippines is a decently big country therefore using more universal name than local names is more sensical. I'd also like to add that there are a few more earthquakes on Luzon with the name Luzon in it's title. Reego41 13:17, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I have already stated my reasons explaining how Abra is just as mentioned in international news so I'm just gonna put a few links here instead
    - Philippines: Abra Earthquake - Flash Update No. 1 (As of 27 July 2022, 9 p.m. local time)
    - Five dead, 60 hurt as earthquake hits northern Philippines the summary below the title reads "Shallow quake was measured at above 7 magnitude and collapsed buildings near the epicentre in northern Abra province."
    - Residents of Abra province in the Philippines sleep outside in fear of earthquake aftershocks
    - 2 killed, dozens injured in strong earthquake rattling northern Philippines the description of the first image found in the article states "A house is seen tilting on its side after an earthquake in Abra Province, the Philippines, July 27, 2022. An earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 7.3 rattled Abra province in the northern Philippines on Wednesday, the Philippine Institute of Volcanology and Seismology said. The institute said the quake, which occurred at 8:43 a.m. local time (0043 GMT), hit at a depth of 25 km, about 2 km northeast of Lagangilang town."
    and there are possibly even more articles and news reports mentioning Abra internationally. Moctiwiki (talk) 01:22, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Also i'm sure international audiences would have already heard the name Abra atleast once in any news report or article Moctiwiki (talk) 01:23, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I have checked tens and tens of international articles in many other countries and they all have it as Luzon in the title. You know sometimes not all people read the articles, and they just read the title and scroll by therefore what it says in the content does not matter as much as the title. Also, there are a lot of other earthquake articles with a more general/universal name with news articles saying the more general name in the title and a localized unit of governance inside of the article.
    There's also this; would renaming this article effect it positively? How would it help? Luzon is a better name and you have 1 reasoning to rename this and that is because it is included in a title of like 5 articles. Well compared to articles including "Luzon" in it's title that number is absolutely nothing. Looking at your newer, other reasoning, you say that since the affects are more localized it should be named to Abra and this current name would be "impractical". I would maybe agree with you if this was a lower magnitude however since it's a magnitude 7 - which the Luzon area's last magnitude 7 was 22 years ago - it probably should stay as Luzon since the effects were a bit more widespread and you don't see these everyday in Luzon. Reego41 12:50, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Reego41, to help RM closers, it would probably help to list a sample of such international articles here. ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ 💬 "What did I tell you?"
    📝 "Don't get complacent..."     12:52, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Firstly, I would love to see some international articles that state the name Luzon in the articles because from my genuine search, the closest thing I could find to the general name of Luzon was "Northern Philippines...". Also, there are some articles that provide minature summaries below their titles to provide the viewer at least a little bit of context.
    Secondly, like I said in my first sentence, most international sources state the name Northern Philippines earthquake or sometimes "The earthquake that struck Abra Province". And most local sources state the name Abra quake, or to be more specific "Lindol sa Abra"; "Yung yumanig sa Abra"; "And 7.0 magnitude na lindol sa Abra/may Cordillera" (Based on both written articles and television reports).
    Thirdly, the reason I started this discussion on change is becuase coming from a Filipino myself, Luzon has been a standardized name to mean all provinces, including Manila, when only a specifc region was affected. The media always presents events as if an area more than 60 km away from the capital has affected the entire general area, exacerbating the effects as if the entire nation was in jeopardy.
    Additionally, while yes this was the largest felt earthquake to hit the entirety Luzon in 22 or so years, it wasn't the worst. The 2019 earthquake that hit Central Luzon would be the holder of that title, killing 18 people and causing an estimated 10.5 million US dollars in damages. It also affected areas as far south as the Province of Quezon and actually caused significant damage reports in the capital of Manila. Moctiwiki (talk) 07:03, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Correction on the last part, it actually affected areas as far south as Sorsogon, causing major power outages in the province and other regions north of it Moctiwiki (talk) 07:07, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment and Suggestion - If it's possible, perhaps that it will need to stay with the 2022 Luzon earthquake, since a lot of news media organizations worldwide (excluding domestic ones) may or may not recognize Abra, thus it would be downplaying the risk assessment of a natural disaster at first glance, since, even though the epicenter is right within Abra, the shockwave energy generated by the moving fault lines will always radiate around several hundreds of miles and will still cause some damage all over Northern and Central Luzon, and it may also reach the NCR. For the sake of location simplicity while also retaining the impact and attention of the story, however, it can be named to just 2022 Northern Luzon earthquake, 2022 Cordillera Region earthquake, or 2022 Abra River Fault earthquake (assuming if there would be ever any mentions from both domestic and international news agencies of that term, or if domestic/regional border politics can accept it), otherwise, put in the summary paragraph in (a.k.a. / also known "locally" as) if they're unable to cut it. ROBLOXGamingDavid (talk) 14:28, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I am more fond on the name 2022 Northern Luzon earthquake considering most of the areas most affected was located on the Northern parts of the island, naming it The Cordillera quake would exclude other provinces nart part of the political region who also experienced damage. Moctiwiki (talk) 02:19, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I meant to say”— not part of—“ not nart part lol Moctiwiki (talk) 02:21, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Closure requests Can anyone please close this discussion per WP:SNOW. HurricaneEdgar 14:58, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]


The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Benguet section

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Hi guys I lived in Baguio, can we add at the Benguet section that Mayor Benjamin Magalong suspended the works and classes of the city due to the earthquake? Source. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 00:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is way too damn off-topic; let's focus on the topic of the thread itself please ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ 💬 "What did I tell you?"
📝 "Don't get complacent..."
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Wut I thought this only affected Abra? (See above LOL) Howard the Duck (talk) 13:57, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
... i really hope you're joking ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ 💬 "What did I tell you?"
📝 "Don't get complacent..." 14:01, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh please, just because an article is named after a specific place doesn't automatically mean the damage or affected area is only situated within that single area. By looking at the name Luzon, viewers would think that the entirety of the island experienced damage and was fully affected, except it didn't, most damage was in the Cordillera Region in Northern Luzon. Moctiwiki (talk) 01:38, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And I do think joking on this situation is quite rude and childish, dark humor can be appropriated, but this is a formal discussion, not a comedy bar. Moctiwiki (talk) 01:39, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
World War I didn't affect the entire world, but here we are. Granted, "World War I" is a proper name vs. the current and any suggested titles that are WP:NDESC, but I suppose proper names of events evolved that way. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:23, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It... literally did, on so many different aspects. Colonies were a thing which meant that even colonies were still part of the war if their colonizers participated in such. Also what did World War I have to do with this discussion at all? I supposed you haven't read WP:OTHERCONTENT of which I fell mistake to at first. Moctiwiki (talk) 12:56, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also, Baguio isn't strictly a part of Benguet (it's a highly urbanized city). A separate section for Baguio outside of Benguet can be created, tho. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:10, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Um please answer my question HAHAHHHAHA. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 02:11, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are perfectly free to add any new information, and since there's already a Benguet section you can add that information there as well. Moctiwiki (talk) 02:24, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@SeanJ 2007: If there's difficulty understanding "A separate section for Baguio outside of Benguet can be created, tho," please let me know!
@Moctiwiki: If there's difficulty understanding "Baguio isn't strictly a part of Benguet," please let me know! Howard the Duck (talk) 12:21, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sub-sections exist, so we can make a separate subsection for Baguio inside the Benguet section. Baguio may be an independent city, but it's still part of Benguet for the msot part, just like other independent cities in different Provinces. Moctiwiki (talk) 12:50, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's not "still part of Benguet for the msot part, just like other independent cities". It is not, like all independent cities. The governor of Benguet has no say with how the city is run.
People should've noticed this when how the Duterte administration handed down quarantines and some random cities are separated. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:07, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Moctiwiki: Howard's right. Out of 146 incorporated cities here, 33 of these (all 16 Metro Manilan cities and a few ones outside the capital region) are independent cities, nicely labelled as highly urbanized cities. The mapmakers here s**k by not adding boundaries in many chart-type maps here, in the name of "cartographical convenience." HUCs can be compared to Virginian cities in the U.S. state of Virginia: Virginian cities are always separate from counties. Only towns and villages populate the Virginian counties. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 08:31, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:Cortezjayel's edits

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@User:Cortezjayel stop making non-constructive edits in the infobox. You are not to use the marker in that manner and all your edits have been reverted. I will have you reported to the Administrators' noticeboard if you do it again. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 08:56, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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