Talk:2021 ARIA Music Awards

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Number of nominations

@Le Beaglelution:, @Tobyjamesaus:: consider Amy Shark and Genesis Owasu each have seven nominations not six. The source, Kelly (currently ref [4]) clearly says, "Both Shark and Owusu lead the overall charge, with six nominations a piece."

Shark's noms are: Album of the Year, Best Artist, Best Pop Release, Best Australian Live Act, Song of the Year, Video of the Year and Producer of the Year.
Owusu's noms: Album of the Year, Best Artist, Best Hip Hop Release, Best Independent Release, Best Australian Live Act, Producer of the Year and Best Cover Art.

To make matters worse, both The Avalanches and Budjerah have eight nominatons!

The Avalanches' noms: Album of the Year, Best Group, Best Pop Release, Best Video, Best Australian Live Act, Producer of the Year, Engineer of the Year and Best Cover Art.
Budjerah's noms: Best Artist, Breakthrough Artist, Best Soul/R&B Release, Best Video, Best Australian Live Act, Producer of the Year and Engineer of the Year (twice).

However, Kelly lists The Avalanches and Budjerah as each having five nominations. I have a feeling that Kelly does not always count the Artisan nominations for the artists. I'd like your opinion on whether to change most nominations to The Avalanches (8) and Budjerah (8) or something else? Should I find a reliable source for eight nominations or just over-ride Kelly's source? Help needed.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 17:08, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I added the most nominations (6) from The Music Network article. I had seen others also saying 6 is the most noms.

I agree, it appears they’re not counting artisan noms, which are awarded to someone’s else for their work on those releases.

I picked up that The Avalanches and Budjerah technically have 8 when I added /updated awards and nominations to their individual pages.

As for my opinion, could be left as 6 for Shark and Owasu but put a “Notelist-ua” comment saying something like what you’ve outlined above?? Just an idea. Tobyjamesaus (talk) 20:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This may have wider ramifications. Remember the article (and previous years' articles) defines itself as "a series of awards", and includes sub-sections on ARIA Hall of Fame, ARIA Awards, Fine Arts Awards and Artisan Awards. Surely the totals should include nominations (or wins, when known) from all sections of the article? Without checking, I'm fairly certain this was done in previous years. Furthermore, artists' articles often include sub-sections such as "ARIA Music Awards" (e.g. Amy Shark's article) or links to List of awards and nominations received by... (e.g. ... John Farnham) but make no distinction between ARIA Hall of Fame, ARIA Awards, Fine Arts Awards or Artisan Awards.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All valid. It’s the award for engineer of year (for example) and isn’t given to artist the engineer worked on.. although, the nominated release is usually counted in the artists’ nominations/awards tables. Just to add to inconsistencies. Tobyjamesaus (talk) 05:18, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Update

@Le Beaglelution:, @Tobyjamesaus:: Owusu wins four categories including Best Cover Art (see ARIA wins 2021 ref in article) However this was from seven nominations:^[1] The mix up for earlier sources is Owusu's nomination for Cover Art: he is Kofi Ansah-Owusu and Kofi Ansah is shown as sharing Cover Art with Bailey Howard (he acknowledged Howard's work in his acceptance speech). I will now change Nominations total to (7) and Shark stays at (6).shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:17, 24 November 2021 (UTC)22:32, 24 November 2021 (UTC) I've changed Most nominations to The Avalanches (8) and Budjerah (8). This includes Artisan Awards for their works.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:05, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Fowler, Bella (24 November 2021). "ARIAs 2021: Hip Hop star Genesis Owusu scoops awards after 7 nominations". news.com.au. Retrieved 25 November 2021.

[Fowler-1] Fowler, Bella (24 November 2021). "ARIAs 2021: Hip Hop star Genesis Owusu scoops awards after 7 nominations". news.com.au. Retrieved 25 November 2021.

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