Talk:2020 Washington gubernatorial election

Page Layout

I see no reason to use a new layout that buries candidates and the primary results table by putting them all in the same section, but please make your case @Reywas92:. Tedm03 (talk) 23:04, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

I have no idea what the heck "buries" means, these should be in the same section. In other articles with top-two primaries 2018 United States Senate election in Washington, 2016 United States Senate election in Washington, 2012 United States Senate election in Washington, 2016 Washington gubernatorial election, 2012 Washington gubernatorial election there is a top-level section for the primary, with subsections for candidates, polling, and results, then another top-level section for the general election. This IS consistent with other 2020 elections, with top-level sections for each primary and subsections for the candidates, polling, and results in each respective primary. Reywas92^Talk 23:57, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

@Reywas92: all you’re telling me is that it’s an outdated system. It’s not used in 2020 as far as I’ve seen, and it puts too many things in one section. There’s no downside to having more sections and unless you find one it should stay that way. Tedm03 (talk) 23:59, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. 2020 Indiana gubernatorial election: Top-level section for each party primary, with candidates and results all "buried" as subsections in the same section.2020 Missouri gubernatorial election: Top-level section for each party primary, with candidates and results all "buried" as subsections in the same section. 2020 New Hampshire gubernatorial election: Top-level section for each party primary, with candidates and results all "buried" as subsections in the same section. 2020 North Carolina gubernatorial election: Top-level section for each party primary, with candidates and results all "buried" as subsections in the same section. 2020 Delaware gubernatorial election: Top-level section for each party primary, with candidates and results all "buried" as subsections in the same section. This format is consistent with these and others, but with one top-two primary with candidates and results as subsections instead of multiple party primaries. Because this nonpartisan blanket primary makes no distinction between candidates from different parties, there should not be separate top-level sections for parties that have no legal recognition in this process. Reywas92^Talk 00:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

By the way, this is not the "new" layout, it's the original layout prior to this edit by a banned user. Reywas92^Talk 00:09, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

@Reywas52: those split it into Democratic, Republican, and other candidates just like what we should do here. Only difference is that this page needs a separate section for the primary since it’s all one ballot. This way makes it more readable especially for mobile, where you have to scroll down a lot to get the primary results. You refuse to give me even one benefit of this system. Tedm03 (talk) 00:10, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

The others split the parties because their primaries are split too, with candidates split across different primary ballots! The benefit is that it reflects reality that here there is a combined primary with the candidates running together so they should be listed together! You refuse to acknowledge that parties in Washington elections are completely arbitrary since the primary itself is nonpartisan, with everyone picking out their "party preference" as mere labels, see [1] with 14 different descriptors used on the ballot. Reywas92^Talk 00:56, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

@Reywas52: Parties are not arbitrary, you still register as a party if you are not an independent. The combined primary is reflected at the top of the “primary election” section where I specifically put a sentence explaining the top-two primary. I have acknowledged how the system works, that’s a baseless accusation. This current system isn’t required to tell readers it’s a combined primary that’s just bogus. Tedm03 (talk) 01:47, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Also, it’s hard to talk with you when you have a complete unwillingness to compromise, it’s your way or the highway. I made changes to try and incorporate your concerns and you completely ignored them. Tedm03 (talk) 01:54, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

You have made clear you don't acknowledge how the system works, because "you still register as a party" is utterly baseless as Washington does not have party registration! Washington does not distinguish between Democrats, Republicans, Independents, or anything else a candidate wants to run as – the election itself is non-partisan and party labels are for candidate preference only. Top-level sections are to distinguish each election: the primary or primaries and the general. There is one primary here, so there is one section for everyone running in it. It is baffling why you are insisting on something inconsistent with other Washington election articles. Reywas92^Talk 06:09, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Your claim is directly refuted not just by this article but by all past Washington State election articles. We still listed Jay Inslee as a Democrat and Dino Rossi as a Republican. Parties still exist, your argument makes no sense in that regard. Having a blanket/top-two primary where all parties are on the same ballot doesn't eliminate the parties altogether. I do know the system and instead of making baseless personal attacks you should actually give reasons for why your layout improves the article. Just saying it was done in the past doesn't mean it's a good system and just because its a blanket primary doesn't mean we have to put everything in one section. Tedm03 (talk) 07:24, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Go find a consensus to deviate from previous Washington articles then if you think it's such a bad system. Pointing out that "register as a party" is dead wrong is not baseless and not a personal attack, I have said nothing about you as a person. Reywas92^Talk 04:37, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Reywas92: I don't need a consensus, the format is used on every other 2020 page with a top two/jungle primary. For example, 2020 United States Senate special election in Georgia. Tedm03 (talk) 04:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

2020 Washington lieutenant gubernatorial election does not use your format, 2020 United States House of Representatives elections in Washington does not have your format, all the Washington elections in prior years do not have your format. The Georgia election is not a nonpartisan primary like this and is not comparable Reywas92^Talk 04:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Reywas92: Clearly the Washington articles haven't been updated to the new format. And yeah the Georgia election is a non partisan primary just like this one. I see the same thing in the Louisiana articles as well. Tedm03 (talk) 04:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Wrong! Both of those are GENERAL elections, with a run-off only if necessary. Wrong! Both of those are still officially partisan elections. This is not a new format and they do not need to be "updated". Reywas92^Talk 04:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Reywas92: Once again, please be civil. There's little difference between a nonpartisan primary and what's happening in Georgia and Louisiana when it pertains to how we lay out the sections. It's the same idea. Tedm03 (talk) 04:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Other Georgia special elections 2020 Georgia's 5th congressional district special election, 2017 Georgia's 6th congressional district special election, 2010 Georgia's 9th congressional district special election, and 2007 Georgia's 10th congressional district special election use this format. If anything the 2020 Georgia special Senate election should be fixed to this version. Reywas92^Talk 04:56, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Reywas92: The articles that are more frequently edited are the ones that use the new format. And you understand that by reporting me you are going to be punished as well. Tedm03 (talk) 04:58, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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County Map

Jay Inslee got a plurality of the vote in Skagit County, including write-ins. I'm not sure how to change the county map, but I would like someone to change it. Thomascampbell123 (talk) 00:18, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done clpo13_(talk) 00:25, 21 December 2021 (UTC)