Talk:2020 European Masters (2019–20 season)

seedings

What exactly are the seedings based on here? Anyone have a source stating the seeding list, and the fact there's only 32? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:51, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snooker_world_rankings_2019/2020#cite_ref-7 - Seeding revision 6, 32 seeds are used for this event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.85.52 (talk) 22:35, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

According to whom? I haven't seen an official seeding list. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:41, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

If you check that list (while factoring in Jimmy Robertson as the #1 seed as defending champion) against the first round of qualifying, you can see the top 32 ranked players were seeded into the corresponding positions for the event, then players outside the top 32 were drawn randomly. The players after O'Sullivan all moved up a spot, due to his non-participation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.85.52 (talk) 07:52, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

But we need reliable sources for seedings, not just your own WP:OR. I'd actually assume there were 64 seeded players, just looking at the draw for qualifying, without using our world rankings article as a base. Have you got an external source for the seedings? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:33, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

There was not 64 seeds. Mei Xiwen would have been the 64th seed, and would have played the winner of Jimmy Robertson (#1) and Martin O'Donnell, in the second round of qualifying, (if there were 64 seeds, and they won their first match, then #1 would've played #64, #2 v #63, etc.), but the draw didn't work like this because there were only 32 seeds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.85.52 (talk) 13:41, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

but that is still original research. The only RS that I found was snooker.org which lists all players by seeding. We can't just have a cutoff because it suits you. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:05, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Snooker.org usually lists the seeding/ranking for all players, it doesn't mean there were 64 or 128 seeds for this event. We don't have a cutoff because it "suits" me, (note: I had noting to do with adding the 32 seeds for this event, I was just answering your original question), we have a cutoff at 32 seeds for this event because that is how this event was structured. Look at the drawn, #1 could only play #32 in the round of 32, anything after the #33 ranked played were drawn randomly, which means there were only 32 seeds. It's the same format used for the upcoming German Masters. Unlike the UK Championship for example, that has a flat 128 draw, (#1 v #128, #2 v #127, etc.)

that is still OR. I don't really know why we are listing the seedings here if we don't have a source backing that up. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:42, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't see how it's OR, when it's obvious by simply looking at the draw for both the European and German Masters, that is how they're structured. Is there a linked source for every snooker tournament wiki page with seeds? Anyways, I believe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jamiecameron00 was the editor that added the seedings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.85.52 (talk) 16:12, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:36, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that Neil Robertson won the 2020 European Masters in a whitewash 9–0, the first time since 1989 that a two-session finalist did not score? Source: https://snookerhq.com/2020/01/26/neil-robertson-wins-2020-european-masters-with-whitewash/
  • ALT1:... that in winning the 2020 European Masters, Neil Robertson had won events for every year for fifteen straight years? Source: https://snookerhq.com/2020/01/26/neil-robertson-wins-2020-european-masters-with-whitewash/

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5x expanded by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 17:58, 28 January 2020 (UTC).

• I'll review this one at lunchtime. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 10:23, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

• The article was created about 6 weeks ago, before the tournament started, as normal for snooker tournament articles; I have counted expansion as starting with this edit on 21 January (i.e. 7 days earlier), although the bulk of the work was obviously undertaken from 26 January when the tournament ended. Seven-day expansion of prose size is of the order of 7x.
• There are no concerns over the use of SnookerHQ.com as a reference. Although bloggish in appearance, it is written by an expert and has been used in many GA-class and other "audited" snooker articles on Wikipedia. Just in case other editors/readers take a different view, the facts for both hooks (and certain other info about the final) can also be supported by this BBC Sport article, although as ever with non-BBC tournaments the coverage is not in-depth.
• Writing is neutral, free of copyvio/close paraphrasing and suitably engaging.
• I can't see any factual errors, formatting issues, score errors etc.
• QPQ review has been done.
• No image included in the nomination template, although DerHexer's headshot of Neil would make a good lead image if required when this is promoted.

• Just a couple of issues in the text:
  • Check spelling (Messe Dornbirn in infobox vs Messe Dornbirne in Tournament format para)
  • The second sentence in the Tournament format para has gone awry. I think it's meant to say "This was the 21st edition of the European Masters tournament, the first having been held in 1989 as the 1989 European Open".
• Both hooks need a little tweaking:
  • Wording of the original is awkward: something like this may be better: ...that Neil Robertson won the 2020 European Masters 9–0, the first two-session snooker final since 1989 to end in a whitewash?
  • ALT1: weirdly the SnookerHQ and BBC refs are slightly misleading, because what they mean is that Neil has won a tournament every year since 2006 inclusive, so the claim about 15 straight years is correct, but the wording of the refs makes it look like 2006 is excluded. He did however win the Grand Prix in 2006, so 15 straight years is accurate. Perhaps reword as ...that by winning the 2020 European Masters, Neil Robertson has won snooker tournaments for fifteen straight [or consecutive] years?

• Just a couple of text issues to resolve, plus some hook tweaking. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 14:09, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Hassocks5489 I am quite happy with both of your rewordings, they seem better than my originals. I've got this one nominated for GOCE for a GAN next month, but I'll go through the article myself now. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:58, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

• Minor textual issues resolved; now ready to go. Promoters: see my note about hook tweaks. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 23:11, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2020 European Masters/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 07:16, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Going to review this article. MWright96 (talk) 07:16, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Lead

• "Neil Robertson won his seventeenth ranking title" - won the seventeenth ranking title of his career
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:45, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• "with Thailand's Thepchaiya Un-Nooh making the highest, a 146." - clarify that this was during the first round
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:45, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Tournament format

• "This was the twenty-first edition of the European Masters tournament," - not mentioned by Chris Turner's Snooker Archive. Please find another source that explicitly states this fact.
  •  Done. The original cite just was to clarify the first event Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:19, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• "and preceding the 2019 German Masters." - 2020
  •  Done. Good catch Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:19, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• "The World Professional Billiards and Snooker Association and World Snooker organised the European Masters." - Not mentioned by the Sporting Life source. Please use/find another source that explicitly states this fact

Prize fund

• The total prize fund according to World Snooker £402,000 not £407,000. However this source confirms the latter figure. Also that source states this was the first European Masters to be held in Austria and the first World Snooker ranking event to be held in the country
  • Added. The reason for the disparity is that WST doesn't count highest breaks as part of the prize fund, but everywhere else does. Incidentally, they used to count it. I would suggest that this is due to the disparity between the old points based rankings and the new one based on prize money. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:36, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• "all sponsored by BetVictor" - state that BetVictor is a betting company as you've done in the lede
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}`
• "The breakdown of prize money for this year is shown below:" - how about the 2020 edition instead?
  • I think we should cut both. It's obvious we are talking about this year's event, as that is the event. Slightly reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:36, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Qualifying

• "All matches were held as best-of-nine frames." - as the
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:38, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• "where he defeated Joe Perry in the final 9–6.[9][7]" - refs should be in numerical order
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:38, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• Martin O'Donnell is linked to the video game composer and not the snooker player
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:38, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• "Reigning world champion Judd Trump also lost in the first round of qualifying, losing 3–5 to Ian Burns." - was also defeated
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:40, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• "World number ten Shaun Murphy was also defeated 2–5 by Alfie Burden and world number fourteen Jack Lisowski was defeated" - repetition of the word "defeated"
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:40, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Knockout stages

• "The second round featured John Higgins being defeated 5–4 by Un-Nooh." - you can mention that Higgins is a four-time world champion as stated in the Sporting Life citation
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• "Barry Hawkins defeated three-time world champion Mark Selby" - Sporting Life does not state Selby is a three-time world champion but as a former world champion
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• "The previous ranking event winner Ding Junhui" - The UK champion
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• "Barry Hawkins lose to Zhou Yuelong 2–5," - just Hawkins will suffice
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• "The final was played on 26 January 2020 between Robertson and Zhou, as a best-of-seventeen frames match over two sessions" - not stated by SnookerHQ but it is mentioned by
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• "scoring a century in both the fourth and eighth frames." - century break
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• "the first since the 1989 Grand Prix." - perhaps briefly mention that it was Steve Davis who beat Dean Reynolds 10–0 in the 1989 World Grand Prix final?
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Main draw

• Perhaps state that the numbers in brackets are the players' seedings?
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:16, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Main stage centuries

• "The highest was a 146 made by Thepchaiya Un-Nooh in frame six of his first round match." - Maybe mention Un-Nooh's opponent for clarity
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:49, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Qualifying stage centuries

• "The highest of these was a 142 made by Michael Georgiou, made in frame four of his first round match." - same issue as above
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:51, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

References

• Reference 3 is unneeded since Reference 4 is more complete
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• Reference 14 should include the Press Association as the agency that provided the story to the Sporting Life
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• Reference 18 is missing the author who wrote the article
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
• The work of Reference 22 is WST while its equivalents are referred to as World Snooker
  •  Done. This one is due to the silly rename! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Overall the main issues concern the prose and the verification of portions of material. There are also some issues with the formatting of the references and I have put forward one source to be considered seriously for inclusion because it has information relevant to the article. On hold. MWright96 (talk) 10:06, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

• • Thanks for taking a look at two of mine so quickly! I'll get onto them as soon as I can (as well as the ones of yours I have). This all seems easy enough to resolve. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Got to this quicker than I thought, Mwright96. Let me know if there is more.Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:47, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
      • Will now promote to GA class. Note I have formatted the SportBusiness reference. MWright96 (talk) 13:57, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
        • Thank you for that MWright96! I did this on my phone, so had no access to webref, and refill is down. Was just about to update. Thanks for your swift responses! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:11, 1 March 2020 (UTC)