Talk:2014 European Parliament election in Ireland

Clarification needed

Why are some table cells shaded red and pink in the Opinion polls section? There should be a legend to clarify the meaning. — O'Dea (talk) 10:33, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I was wondering that too... I think it may be something to do with quotas but obviously whoever came up with the colour-coding needs to explain it.Lozleader (talk) 11:40, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, you are the one who added the coloured tables (Revision at 23:46 on 3 May 2014 by Electrictrad), so why don't you explain it, please? I will remove the coloured cell shading in due course if no meaning is attributed. — O'Dea (talk) 10:52, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Er no.... they were coloured when I got there, honest :-) 17:14, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

It was User:Electrictrad who added them. The dark red means the top 4 candidates in a 4 seat constituency (or 3 in a 3 seater). The pale red implies a tie for the final seat between two candidates. How you would put that in a legend, I'm not sure, in fact, I'm not sure the colours are needed at all. Snappy (talk) 19:58, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

I apologise to Lozleader. I wasn't paying attention and thought I was replying to Electrictrad. I had left a question on his talk page and thought it was him replying. Thanks for the explanation, Snappy. I agree that the colours really don't add much value, in the absence of a snappy (cough) legend, and removed them as they only provoked puzzlement, because I'm a self-important know-it-all, donchaknow. — O'Dea (talk) 10:49, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be more accurate to include Northern Ireland?

I have not posted questions before in Wikipedia - but it seems to me as a simple county councillor that a page purporting to cover the EU elections in Ireland should cover the 3 seats in northern Ireland too - I am sure this suggestion is in the wrong place - I must get someone to show me how to do edits in Wikipedia properly as i have often seen errors that need correction and/or needing referencing.

Councillor Cadogan Enright, County Down — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.146.137.72 (talk) 21:34, 26 May 2014 (UTC) I now have a Wikipedia login and will learn how to participate properly

BUT the inclusion of the 3 Northern seats would make the summary of results by party more factually and numerically correct.

Councillor Cadogan Enright, County Down — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cadogan enright (talk • contribs) 21:45, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I've added a see also section for the 2014 NI EP constituency result. I would oppose adding the NI figures to the tables as it would be confusing, as these are separate constituencies in separate EU member states. Snappy (talk) 17:24, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Snappy. To Councillor Cadogan Enright, welcome to Wikipedia. The name 'Ireland' in the title of this article refers to the EU member state whose official name is 'Ireland', and not to the island of Ireland. Guidelines on this Ireland name issue can be found at WP:IRE-IRL. It arguably doesn't make much sense, but Wikipedia is full of this kind of issue, as is the world outside Wikipedia - as shown by the following rather incomplete list of geographical naming disputes. That list could arguably use a few additions, including US vs American/America vs North American (or Norte Americano), where some non-US Americans resent the use of 'American' or 'America' to denote only US citizens or only the US, and EU vs European/Europe, where some non-EU Europeans resent the use of 'European' or 'Europe' to denote only EU citizens or only the EU, a situation fairly similar to the one you are complaining about here (and which is already listed in that list of naming disputes). Perhaps one of these days I will try to add the two I've just mentioned to the list.Tlhslobus (talk) 08:58, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Two different party orders, without explanation

We are currently showing two different party orders, without explanation. Our infobox has the order FG - SF - FF, presumably based on seats won (incidentally, on that basis 'Independents', or perhaps 'others', should arguably be second or third, except that they presumably don't count as a party even though they are a 'technical group' in the Dail). And our table has FF - FG - SF, presumably based on first preference votes (and incidentally again ignoring Independents/others, who arguably came first or third in votes). I looked for info on how to handle this kind of situation (which is fairly common) but found none, and my request for info at Template_talk:Infobox_election#Documentation_requires_guidance_re_which_party.2Fcoalition_comes_first.2C_etc has so far got no reply. I'm going to leave this here for a while to see if somebody can say what's supposed to be done, before I perhaps eventually attempt a fix myself.Tlhslobus (talk) 04:19, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

I've now added notes on Party Order to the Table and Infobox, at least as a temporary fix.Tlhslobus (talk) 05:53, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

I thought it was sort by seats first, (seats won are the most important fact), then by 1st pref votes. Also sorting by party then independents last are they are usually a disparate group. Snappy (talk) 16:02, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Snappy. Some supplementary questions: Do you know whether there's a Wikipedia ruling to back what you've said (and where it might be found)? Or is it just your impression, and, if so, how confident are you that you are correct? Also, do you think we should change the order in the Table to match that in the Infobox, or do the notes I've added suffice, or would you prefer some 3rd option? Tlhslobus (talk) 18:44, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, I see you've already made the change to the Table. I'll now reword the note to reflect that. That presumably now makes some of the above questions moot, though others (such as is there a Wikipedia ruling?) are still relevant.Tlhslobus (talk) 18:51, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

If there is a guideline, I don't know where it would be found. It's my impression formed by years of editing election results here. For example, if you look at the results table in European Parliament election, 2014 (United Kingdom), you'll see the Scottish National Party on 2 seats and 389,503 votes, ahead of the Liberal Democrats with 1 seat and 1,087,633 votes. Also independents (labelled Others) are at the bottom of the table, though they got more votes than the bottom 13 parties. Snappy (talk) 19:19, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Snappy.Tlhslobus (talk) 23:44, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

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