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Every time I try to write something, it gets deleted. I'm not even American, I just thought it was an interesting development to cover and yet I can barely write three sentences. Where is this Freedom of Speech you Americans are always talking about?Ila 18:41, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

It does not appear that any additions you have made to this article have been subsequently removed. What three sentences are you talking about? --Geniac (talk) 20:14, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

legislative history?

An article on CNN [1] in January 2012 said that the City Council had already passed this law, specifically so they could save the cost of a referendum. So I don't understand, why was the referendum held anyway? --Mathew5000 (talk) 05:17, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article move

Regarding moving the article from Measure B to Measure B (Los Angeles, 2012), as seen here: Per WP:Disambiguation, we should only disambiguate a title when disambiguation is needed; by that, in this case, it means only if there is another Wikipedia article about Measure B and the "(Los Angeles, 2012)" matter is not the WP:Primary topic. In this case, there is currently no other Wikipedia Measure B article, and the "(Los Angeles, 2012)" matter is the WP:Primary topic. Flyer22 (talk) 05:12, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All true, but this site does not operate in a vacuum. There are other bills that have used "Measure B" that show up in searches. Plus I realized that there was not much information to readily identify when the law was voted on and enacted and its now 2 years later. Its a change for the sake of the Reader. If it offends you so greatly, feel free to move it back, but the title is not out of line with other articles about legislation. Regards, --SChotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 06:43, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article move doesn't offend me; it's just that I don't see how it's generally beneficial to readers, and I would rather only employ a WP:Ignore all rules rationale when needed. When a reader comes to Wikipedia looking for the Measure B topic, the topic of this article is the one they will most likely be looking for; that's why it is the WP:Primary topic. And the long-form of the name can be noted in the lead, per WP:Alternative title, like it already is. If other Wikipedia articles are needlessly disambiguated, those are wrong approaches as well...unless there is a solid WP:Ignore all rules reason behind it. Flyer22 (talk) 07:12, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your point, but you are assuming that how a person will find the article is by coming here first. My contention is that it will be found via a search (Google, Bing, etc.) and they will be presented with several results, one of which is now more specific. --SChotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 07:22, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, I understood what you meant. But, going by search results (which I looked at soon after I made my "07:12, 2 November 2014 (UTC)" comment above) for Measure B, most of the Google topics concern the pornography topic. WP:Primary topic is partly about Google searches -- about what is the primary topic as seen by the preponderance of WP:Reliable sources. So I didn't only mean "coming [to Wikipedia first]." Do you mind if I post a query about this matter at the WP:Disambiguation talk page for more opinions? Flyer22 (talk) 07:29, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please do, I think that's a good idea. By the way, and you probably already know this, but search results vary by location. In Northern California, where I live, there was also a "Measure B" proposed in recent years so it comes up in my search results. I would suspect that this is true for other parts of the world where there have been similar circumstances. Please post the link to your query. Regards, --SChotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 18:33, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Queried. Flyer22 (talk) 01:58, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see a Northern California "Measure B" mentioned in Twin Rivers Unified School District, and another "Measure B" mentioned in Dalidio Ranch Project Controversy, but none of these would seem to merit an independent article, much less primary topic status for the term. Since the current redirect target mixes in elements of sex and free speech, it is bound to draw quite a bit of attention, and this is reflected in its inclusion in many other Wikipedia articles (including basic topics like Condom). Absent evidence shifting this off of primary topic status, I would prefer to see the subject at the undisambiguated title, "Measure B". I have created Measure B (disambiguation) for the others. bd2412 T 05:42, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you BD! --SCalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 18:08, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Because of BD2412's help, the article should definitely go ahead and be moved back to Measure B. Flyer22 (talk) 03:30, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing your recent expansion to the article, Scalhotrod, reminded me of the title matter; I moved it back to Measure B, per my and BD2412's comments above. Now all the article needs regarding this matter is a disambiguation tag placed at the top. Flyer22 (talk) 03:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done and thank you for the reminder... :) --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 04:45, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]