Talk:2005 Football League Two play-off final

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March 24, 2021	Good article nominee	Listed
September 14, 2021	Good topic candidate	Promoted
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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 2, 2021. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Duncan Jupp scored his first league goal for more than a decade in the 2005 Football League Two play-off Final?
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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 22:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Duncan Jupp scored his first league goal for more than a decade in the 2005 Football League Two play-off Final?

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Billy Hardy (footballer)

5x expanded by The Rambling Man (talk). Self-nominated at 11:20, 10 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Couldn't find any issues with the hook, which is interesting already. No pictures, so that's not a problem, and the article itself is well-sourced. This hook is good to go. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:06, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man, I was going to promote this one this evening, but I see that the source listed at the end of the paragraph about Duncan Jupp's goal doesn't say anything about it being his first league goal in more than a decade. Can you please add a source for that and ping me when you've done so? MeegsC (talk) 22:28, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MeegsC whoops, there. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:34, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Thanks. I'm going to move the source right after that sentence—a nit-picky DYK requirement. ;) MeegsC (talk) 22:40, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2005 Football League Two play-off Final/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Usernameunique (talk · contribs) 06:36, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Maybe add the "tepid, uninventive fare" line from The Observer.
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Route to the final

Gareth McAuley scored in the 11th minute when he headed a free kick from Kevin Sandwith into the Macclesfield goal. — Any word on why they got the free kick?
No, games usually generate 20 or 30 free kicks, they're mostly non-notable. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
in Southend-on-Sea — Link to Southend-on-Sea?
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Background

The referee for the match was Martin Atkinson. — Mention he's from Yorkshire?
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Both matches between the sides during the regular season ended in 1–1 draws. — Dates/locations?
I couldn't think of a succinct and non-repetitive way of putting that as both games ended as draws. The locations are obvious, at each club, the dates well meh, during the season. If you can think of a construction that isn't repetitive, I'd be happy to include it! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Both matches between the sides during the regular season ended in 1–1 draws, first at [location] in [month] [year], and again at [location] the following [month]." --Usernameunique (talk) 05:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:05, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Summary

who then saw a goal from Yeo ruled out — Who is the "who" referred to in this line? And why was the goal ruled out? Minute?
"for Lincoln was off-target who then..." Lincoln. The sources don't say why it was ruled out, nor when. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty sure "who" doesn't agree with "Lincoln" here. I've edited accordingly. --Usernameunique (talk) 05:07, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ta. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:05, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Southend had two goal-bound chances cleared, after the Lincoln goalkeeper Alan Marriott had saved shots from both Carl Pettefer and Mark Bentley. — The "after the" is confusing. It means that the sentence could be referring to two saves (the "saved shots" were of the "goal-bound chances"), or four (Marriott saves shots from Pettefer and Bentley, after which he cleared two goal-bound chances).
Reworded. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Generally speaking, you could add some more minutes in as signposting.
I'd love to, but the match reports don't give that granularity. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe add the format for extra time? It could be simple, e.g., "sending the match into extra time, consisting of two 15-minute periods."
I've used a more specific link to the extra time article. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
passed the ball square — What does "square" mean in this context? Cleanly? Right to? If so, it feels a little redundant, because if you just said "passed the ball," it would seemingly go without saying that it was a direct pass.
I've linked it to the glossary of terms. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe add Duncan Jupp's age, to give more context for his goalless decade.
I don't have his age, but I'm not sure why that gives it more context. Any professional footballer going 10 years without scoring, even a defender, that's a LOOOONG time. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's in the Duncan Jupp article, with a source, but I'll defer to you. --Usernameunique (talk) 05:11, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As I say, it wouldn't matter if he was 26 or 40 really. 10 years without a goal is a bona fide drought. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:05, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Details

Worth adding any of those yellow cards and substitutions to "Summary"?
The match reports make no mention of them in the prose, simply listing both subs and cards as a footnote. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Post-match

needed to be refreshed — I think by "refreshed" you mean overhauled, but that's only clear from reading the quotation. It's a bit confusing, because "refreshed" could also mean that he thought the team needed to get their beauty sleep and head to the spa before the next season.
Indeed, but as it's a quote, he might well have meant the latter. I think you're right by the former though. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The word refreshed isn't in quotation marks in the article, and I don't see it anywhere in the source. --Usernameunique (talk) 05:13, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, mea culpa. Switched out for "improved". The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:05, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
At first I thought the last sentence was saying that Southend got promoted in both the 2005–06 season and the 2006–07 season. Maybe that's just me being tired, but any way of rephrasing it to make it clearer?
I tried a reword for you. If you know what I mean and you know what you'd prefer, by all means re-word again? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Overall

The Rambling Man, over to you. By the way, I know I have a couple outstanding reviews I need to get back to you on. I'll get to them in the next couple days. --Usernameunique (talk) 06:36, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Usernameunique all done and/or responded to above, cheers for the review! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man, a couple comments above. --Usernameunique (talk) 05:14, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Usernameunique back to you now. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:05, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, The Rambling Man, passing now. --Usernameunique (talk) 04:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]