Talk:1989 World Snooker Championship

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List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
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- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
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- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
March 24, 2021	Good article nominee	Listed
August 13, 2021	Featured article candidate	Promoted

Current status: Featured article

Qualifying for the 1989 Embassy World Snooker Championship

FYI

held on 21st March – 1st April:

1st qualifying round: N Terry beat M Parkin 10-0; C Edwards beat J Giannaros 10-4; M Rowing beat S Mizerak 10-1; B Bennett beat C Everton 10-4; P Thornley beat B Demarco 10-3; T Wilson beat M Francisco 10-5; D Mienie beat V Potasnik 10-6; M Johnston-Allen beat E McLaughlin 10-3; I Graham beat D Greaves 10-0; S Campbell wo G Watson; J Grech beat D Heaton 10-6; M Price wo P Morgan; R Marshall beat M Hines 10-1; D Morgan beat S Frangie 10-5

2nd qualifying round: N Terry beat P Medati 10-8; C Edwards beat Jim Bear 10-7; M Rowing beat J Dunning 10-9; F Davis beat B Bennett 10-4; P Thornley beat M Bradley 10-7; P Fagan beat G Foulds 10-6; B Oliver beat J Rempe 10-5; P Watchorn beat R Grace 10-6; M Morra beat B Mikkelsen 10-4; M Gibson beat M Darrington 10-0; T Whitthread beat J Donnelly 10-7; T Wilson beat G Scott 10-4; J Meadowcroft beat D Mienie 10-7; S Meakin beat T Kearney 10-3; J Fitzmaurice beat C Roscoe 10-9; V Harris beat M Watterson 10-5; A Harris beat J Van Rensburg 10-7; M Johnston-Allen beat G Rigitano 10-3; I Graham wo B Harris; Martin Smith beat S Campbell 10-9; J Smith beat R Foldvari 10-4; J Chambers beat I Anderson 10-7; J Grech beat I Williamson 10-7; Glen Wilkinson beat B Kelly 10-2; John Rea beat Dennis Hughes 10-3; I Black beat D Sheehan 10-8; M Price beat E Sinclair 10-9; B Rowswell beat P Burke 10-0; P Gibson beat R Marshall 10-3; D Morgan beat E Lawlor 10-2; F Ellis beat M Wildman 10-7; A Robidoux beat G Miles 10-8

3rd qualifying round: N Gilbert beat N Terry 10-5; C Edwards beat T Chappel 10-7; M Rowing beat W King 10-7; S Duggan beat F Davis 10-3; P Thornley wo B Werbeniuk; D Gilbert beat P Fagan 10-4; Tommy Murphy beat B Oliver 10-8; D Roe beat P Watchorn 10-5; M Clark beat M Morra 10-6; D Martin beat M Gibson 10-7; D Fowler beat T Whitthread 10-6; J O’Boye beat T Wilson 10-8; M Macleod beat J Meadowcroft 10-9; P Browne beat S Meakin 10-9; R Reardon beat J Fitzmaurice 10-5; Gary Wilkinson beat V Harris 10-6; W Jones beat A Harris 10-4; J Wych beat M Johnston-Allen 10-3; I Graham beat G Cripsey 10-2; Martin Smith beat J Wright 10-7; T Jones beat J Smith 10-7; K Stevens beat J Chambers 10-8; L Dodd beat J Grech 10-9; Glen Wilkinson beat R Bales 10-1; John Rea beat P Houlihan 10-5; R Edmonds beat I Black 10-3; M Price beat M Bennett 10-9 B Rowswell beat M Gauvreau 10-7; K Owers beat P Gibson 10-8; D Morgan beat J Campbell 10-4; J McLaughlin beat F Ellis 10-9; A Robidoux beat M Fisher 10-2

4th qualifying round: N Gilbert beat C Edwards 10-8; S Duggan beat M Rowing 10-6; D Gilbert beat P Thornley 10-4; D Roe beat Tommy Murphy 10-7; M Clark beat D Martin 10-2; J O’Boye beat D Fowler 10-6; P Browne beat M Macleod 10-6; Gary Wilkinson beat R Reardon 10-5; W Jones beat J Wych 10-9; I Graham beat Martin Smith 10-6; T Jones beat K Stevens 10-2; L Dodd beat Glen Wilkinson 10-4; John Rea beat R Edmonds 10-7; B Rowswell beat M Price 10-6; D Morgan beat K Owers 10-8; A Robidoux beat J McLaughlin 10-2

Final qualifying round: S Newbury beat N Gilbert 10-7; S Duggan beat J Spencer 10-1; D Mountjoy beat D Gilbert 10-7; D Roe beat R Williams 10-3; R Chaperon beat M Clark 10-4; J O’Boye beat B West 10-7; P Browne beat S Longworth 10-0; Gary Wilkinson beat T Drago 10-9; W Jones beat David Taylor 10-7; D Reynolds beat I Graham 10-5; T Meo beat T Jones 10-7; E Charlton beat L Dodd 10-6; S James beat John Rea 10-7; E Hughes beat B Rowswell 10-9; D O’Kane beat A Robidoux 10-5; D Morgan beat A Higgins 10-8

188.29.8.15 (talk) 01:46, 2 May 2013 (UTC) Ralph[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:1989 World Snooker Championship/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 15:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

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Prose

Lede

ranking professional snooker tournament - not a big fan of this wording, I think you can omit ranking here, and link it when you mention it later. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General

I think the overview/format should really have some sort of mention of the sessions, and how they work. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a go at this; suggestions for improvement welcome. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Overview doesn't comment on the prior championship. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added a mention - is more needed? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Qualifying could do with being split up a bit better in terms of paragraphs. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I added a few details. The split is now between the last qualifying round, and earlier rounds. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:15, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is it worth mentioning what rank Alex Higgins was, as we commented that he won an event shortly before this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:15, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

7-4 - might be worth looking through or running the MOS:DASH script. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason the script didn't pick this one up. Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:18, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

eventually knocked out 4–13 - defeated. Knocked out is something that happens in boxing. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:18, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could we move the Parrott image to the semi-finals (where he won), and then put in a Steve Davis one for the final? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:15, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

red ball with his cue stick - might need some glossary links. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added links. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:18, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IIRC, didn't Parrott have to do some sort of exhibition as the match finished early? Certainly worth a mention if sources say about it. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:42, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

whilst 1989 proved to be the last world final reached by Davis - just say this was the last final for Davis. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:18, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Review meta comments

I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your constructive review, Lee Vilenski - I've replied to all the points above. Let me know about anything else that is needed. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:12, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to pass. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:48, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is this correct?

"...Parrott led by 44 points in the twelfth frame after constructing a 52 break, but lost the frame after Davis compiled a 62 break. Parrott went in-off after potting a red in the thirteenth frame, allowing Davis the opportunity to win the frame with a break of 59. In the next frame, Davis missed potting the pink whilst using the rest, and Parrott made it 3–10 with a break of 68."

12th & 13th frame both win by Davis, the next frame should be 14th which was win by Parrott, but 3–10 indicate this should be 13th frame, am I wrong?--Jarodalien (talk) 14:29, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is definitely something off. BennyOnTheLoose - I make it 6-2 after the first session, and 14-3 after the second, Davis leading 11-2. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:20, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seems we're wrong about the first session. Davis led 6–2 after the first session when we have 5–2. Also there were only 8 frames in the second session, not the 9 we have in the frame-by-frame scores. Nigej (talk) 16:48, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Downer's Almanac has 5-2 after the first session and 13-3 after the second. I think it should be 3-11 rather than 3-10 in the text, but I'll have a look at other sources. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:30, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Times, Snooker Scene and Downer's Almanac all have 5-2 and 13-3 after the first and second sessions. Are there any sources that say different? I've corrrected the text about the second session. (3-11 and two remaining frames.) Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:38, 9 October 2021 (UTC) Just need to sort out a frame score in the final table now... BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:42, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

eg https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tj1AAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TlkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=6302%2C226465 and others, but perhaps they're all basically the same source. Nigej (talk) 18:32, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If the frame scores are correct, the "six balls in the first four frames" must relate to frame 8 to 11, confirming the 7 frame first session. Nigej (talk) 18:37, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That looks right now, great work everyone, and thanks for bringing this to our attention Jarodalien Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing: "Paddy Browne was 5–4 ahead of Willie Thorne after their first session, but then lost five successive frames as Thorne progressed 10–5." Shouldn't be "six successive frames"?--Jarodalien (talk) 03:09, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it should. I've amended this. Thanks again, Jarodalien. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 07:28, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, found this only because I'm translating this article to Chinese here, the 7th article I translated about Snooker.--Jarodalien (talk) 07:44, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Another inconsistency to check

In the "Tournament summary" section, the Tony Wilson v Mannie Francisco score is given as 10–6. The "Qualifying" results table gives 10–5. The summary at the top of this Talk page also gives 10–5. Could anybody with the relevant issue of Snooker Scene pls check which is correct? Thanks. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 17:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC) (Passing the time waiting for the 2024 semi-final to start...)[reply]