Talk:1960 New York mid-air collision

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I've been told (don't remember by whom) that the pilot of the United Airlines flight was trying to crash-land in Prospect Park, but was unsuccessful. On the face of it, this makes sense: the park is a few blocks farther along the path the plane would be taking from Staten Island. — Anna Kucsma 20:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I Googled the air crash and found one source (which, I admit, I had never heard of) which says the plane that crashed in Park Slope was indeed trying to make an emergencey landing, but at LaGuardia Airport, not Prospect Park. But Park Slope Reader (a little mare than halfway down, in the "Pillar of Fire" section) states that both potential landing-attempt sites were speculated about as such by witnesses. Neither About.com nor Infoplease said anything either way. — Anna Kucsma 16:12, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Both references I have state that the aircraft was far, far too badly damaged for the pilots to possibly have any control of the aircraft. I think laypersons often think that aircraft in distress are "trying to make an emergency landing" when quite often they're just out of control - I remember with the Greek aircraft disaster (Helios Airlines? I'm not sure off the top of my head) a few years ago some bystanders said, "He's trying to get to a safe place to ditch" but when the report came out it was clear the aircraft had been uncontrollable and the pilots were likely unconscious. Maybe it's just hope that pilots are trying to avoid crashing into ground targets. --Charlene.fic 18:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

46 years ago today. -- In memoriam

Perhaps some old fashioned research is needed. I have the CAB accident report and first read it when it was released in 1962.

The collision damage to the Constellation was catastrophic. The damage to the DC-8 included the loss of the No. 4 engine, the outboard right wing, and part of the leading edge of the left wing. Control, if any, was marginal. He was cleared to Idelwyld, never turned final. He was headed towards La Garbage, if that was his plan - and I can't imagine anyone passing up Idelwyld for La Garbage, he didn't make it. Odd are he just kept going until he hit.Mark Lincoln 14:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In many accidents, the MSM tries to sensationalize and often include incredibly stupid and absurd statements from ignorant, "eye witnesses," which help them to sell their sleezy newspapers, but which only confuse actual investigation issues. Wiki Editors should never reference such garbage statements, no matter which newspaper or magazine chooses to publish such garbage. We are supposed to be an Encyclopedia, not just another irresponsible Tabloid publication. Thus, I have removed the most egregious statements of that kind, that were in the article. EditorASC (talk) 19:16, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

New York Harbor vs. Lower New York Bay

The article currently says sections fell into New York Harbor. This is imprecise. Miller Field is on the Atlantic Ocean side of Staten Island (and is now part of Gateway National Recreation Area). The body of water on this side is called Lower New York Bay. The way it is worded it is implied that chunks fell into the body of water between Manhattan and Staten Island. However it would probably be on the far side of Staten Island. Since there might be a remote chance that as written it is correct I haven't changed it but we should find a reference to make it more precise. Americasroof 17:09, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no mention in the accident report of any wreckage falling in the water.Mark Lincoln 19:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

50th anniversary memorial event

The 50th anniversary occurs on December 16, 2010. There will be a memorial service in New York. This, and other information that might possibly be used to improve on an already well-written article, has been presented in a series of articles in the New York Times during the past several days. I found the readers' comments left in response to one of the Times articles engrossing; perhaps other Wiki readers would appreciate links to the Times articles. Publius3 (talk) 01:04, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"...a point called 'Preston'..."?

I don't know much about aeronautical navigation, and an explanation of these "points"--where they are, how they are named--would be a big help. -- Wi2g 15:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link

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Dates

In aviationarticles ONLY US Military articles conventionally use mdy dates. A concensus was reached that all other aviation articles should use dmy dates--Petebutt (talk) 06:42, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The title

I'm pretty sure that the airline is not called "New York Air" and it definitely does not talk about air in New York in 1960. This title is misleading. Epicgenius^{(talk to me • see my contributions)} 13:05, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cause of crash

The article should indicate why the plane crashed. I did not see that in here. Can anyone add some info? Thanks. 32.209.55.38 (talk) 14:32, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to help. I updated information in the accident section and also quoted most of the "Probable Cause" statement from the Official Final Report. EditorASC (talk) 19:01, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Stephen Baltz" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Stephen Baltz. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 10#Stephen Baltz until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jay ^(Talk) 11:58, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioning of name of initial survivor in the article

Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen Baltz (2nd nomination), I restored the name of the boy who initially survived the crash. Everyone who voted says he should be mentioned in this article. I am not sure why User:WilliamJE believes otherwise, being that articles for other plane crashes with only one survivor mention the sole survivor's names. Some even have their own articles. I do not see what is the difference here. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 13:39, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]